Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

Because Disco is Mafia.

Lies and heresy.

[Beskar]

Says another Mafia.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Says another Mafia.

Lies and heresy.

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And who are you to grill me? There are fifteen straight-up mafiosi in this game, with probably another dozen Wiseguys, the bizarre Russian sect, and a serial killer or two thrown in for good measure. Who's to say you're not one of them, huh?

What's your role, Beskar? What have your night actions been, hmm?

[Beskar]

Everyone has known what I am since Night Zero it seems. It also has been said in this topic a number of times, including my actions. This is why I was attacked last night.

In other words, if you don't know, you are in a minority and should pay more attention to the game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

*powers up the ignore mode....*






edit: seems you're not allowed to ignore a moderator...

[Muahahaha - GH]

[Reenk Roink]

Beskar and Jolt are the only ones who will not have the honor of going to Club 30 should they have the most votes.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Trying to change the subject, ignore GH at this point. Just bloating thread

[GeneralHankerchief]

Yes, I know your actions, Beskar. I know them all too well.

You've killed. Snuffed out innocent lives. Murdered good, hard-working fathers that had loving wives at home and infant children who will now never grow up with that all-important paternal influence. No one to teach them the ancient art of standing up for oneself. No one to play catch with them in the front yard or on the sandy beaches of Fatlington. No one to provide a moral compass as well as sneak them out to a ballgame while Mom isn't looking.

YOU ARE A HEARTLESS MURDERER WHO BELONGS ON AN ELECTRIC CHAIR.

[a completely inoffensive name]

You are all lying. This is all an elaborate plot by all of you to confuse everyone. You are all mafia, every single one of you and everyone you kill is a townie or someone who didn't want to go along with your plan anymore. It's the biggest conspiracy the Gameroom has ever seen and I have figured it out. All I need is evidence and all you are done for, I will save the town from destruction and be the savior of Capo di Tutti Capi III!

[discovery1]

Well, this is all kinds of interesting.

Because Disco is Mafia.

I stand by my earlier statements whatever they were.

[discovery1]

You are all lying. This is all an elaborate plot by all of you to confuse everyone. You are all mafia, every single one of you and everyone you kill is a townie or someone who didn't want to go along with your plan anymore. It's the biggest conspiracy the Gameroom has ever seen and I have figured it out. All I need is evidence and all you are done for, I will save the town from destruction and be the savior of Capo di Tutti Capi III!

Yeah, and I'm a lizard Zionist.

[Jolt]

You are all lying. This is all an elaborate plot by all of you to confuse everyone. You are all mafia, every single one of you and everyone you kill is a townie or someone who didn't want to go along with your plan anymore. It's the biggest conspiracy the Gameroom has ever seen and I have figured it out. All I need is evidence and all you are done for, I will save the town from destruction and be the savior of Capo di Tutti Capi III!

You should read up on what WIFOM is, because WIFOM is plenty times what gets innocent townies lynched.

[Double A]

You are all lying. This is all an elaborate plot by all of you to confuse everyone. You are all mafia, every single one of you and everyone you kill is a townie or someone who didn't want to go along with your plan anymore. It's the biggest conspiracy the Gameroom has ever seen and I have figured it out. All I need is evidence and all you are done for, I will save the town from destruction and be the savior of Capo di Tutti Capi III!

No it is you who is the mafia!

Guys this is just becoming a giant accuseapaloza. Calm down a little.

[ricera10]

Maybe just get some sleep? I dunno, I get this feeling that all the lynching that goes on in the main thread pales in comparison to the amount of stuff that happens in PMs.

Also, what happened to the serial killer from night 1? Was he killed, or not activated, or what? It's a bit irrelevant, but after reading through the summaries thread again, I haven't noticed another killing like it.

[Jolt]

I wanted Sasaki lynched over both disco and Atpg this round. Please don't nitpick statements and draw conclusions.

All I've noted is that ATPG continues pointing to scummy people. While this occurs you go like: "ZZzzzz...Ugh, wha? Yea, that might be indeed a good suspects as my indicators indicate...ugh...I mean contacts!", but two seconds later you go like "WHAT THE DAISY??? ATPG IS CLEARLY MAFIA BECAUSE NOONE TRIED TO KILL HIM YET, LYNCH HIM NOW NOW QUICK DO IT NOW!"

...Just that.

Oh, and disco was pointed out by ATPG (Weird how this keeps happening), and Sasaki is apparently widely regarded as "going to start a Mafia familly no matter what". ATPG's reason isn't any Mafia connection, just the suspicion in the heads of some people.

To your charges:

Atpg's sources are likely a combination of my own (disco, CA, FH - I've had dirt on all of them at my doorstep),

Of course. Yet you withhold information, while you are literally unkillable, while he risks his life and brings the information to the town. And you go like "Pfft. I knew that."

and others that I don't have (disco is a luca was news to me). I also have sources that he probably doesn't, not to mention there are people who have told me they are unwilling to work with him anymore.

Do the said people provide any plausible reason?

For all the claims that "Atpg is hated by all the Mafia" there hasn't been a single attempt at his life. Kage's arguments against Atpg are strong, much better than the case we lynched CA on. The fact is, that Atpg's sources are very, very odd in both their ability and their targets, and that leads to some suspicion to him.

Weird. Since you most likely know that there are multiple Mafia famillies, and although I never read such a claim, what is ATPG then, that no Mafia familly attacked him yet. Is he mysteriously the Don of all famillies? Is that what you think?

Go look up my townie PM to see why I might have an unclear result. Now to turn it on you, do you have any explanation on how I could procure a townie PM so quickly from the game's start if I did not get it from Seamus? Perhaps a forgery from the earlier one put up? Well then explain the changes in formatting and structure of the two? The PM I put up was confirmed by several townies, one publicly in thread, as IDENTICAL to theirs in format and content.

I have heard of people sharing their Role PMs more than once. I have no idea if the Mafia themselves have fake Role PMs as well.

As director, because of my guard squad, even if I had a kill or protect ability, I could not use it. Not only that but I am unable to participate in any kind of night missions in groups. The only thing I could do is investigate (I don't have the ability). Don't believe me, ask Seamus right here in the thread about Director mechanics.

Oh, but being the Director has a great advantage, which is being trusted (As the most voted person) by most of the comunity. That would largely surpass any limitation you would have on a kill or protect ability.

Indeed, this post only serves to heighten the suspicion on Atpg, that he has guard dogs going after those who suspect him...

Another weird part. Curious how I was days ago accused of trying to enter a Mafia familly trying and bring down and betray and backstab ATPG, and now I'm his "guard dog" if you so quickly range from one extreme to the other, might I know for what reason do you want to lynch me?

Language please - GH]

[discovery1]

Sasaki is apparently widely regarded as "going to start a Mafia familly no matter what".

That whole vote Sasaki thing still isn't dead huh?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That whole vote Sasaki thing still isn't dead huh?

You'd think going from "hooded and faceless" to "about to stab you in the face with a spear" would change that

[Chaotix]

That whole vote Sasaki thing still isn't dead huh?

Nah.

Everyone knows Sasaki is always guilty, but in this game, he was apparently caught not guilty and trying to make himself guilty again because he couldn't deal with the pain of not being able to kill townies.

Or something like that.

EDIT: In reality, I don't think Sasaki has been scum in a single game I've played with him before this.

[Reenk Roink]

To Jolt with love - don't bother reading unless his accusations actually have you having doubts about my innocence:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

All I've noted is that ATPG continues pointing to scummy people. While this occurs you go like: "ZZzzzz...Ugh, wha? Yea, that might be indeed a good suspects as my indicators indicate...ugh...I mean contacts!", but two seconds later you go like "WHAT THE DAISY??? ATPG IS CLEARLY MAFIA BECAUSE NOONE TRIED TO KILL HIM YET, LYNCH HIM NOW NOW QUICK DO IT NOW!"

...Just that.

Yeah, the only time I pointed out that Atpg was never killed was just in that reply post. So it couldn't even have been just that.

Strike 1.

Oh, and disco was pointed out by ATPG (Weird how this keeps happening), and Sasaki is apparently widely regarded as "going to start a Mafia familly no matter what". ATPG's reason isn't any Mafia connection, just the suspicion in the heads of some people.

Of course. Yet you withhold information, while you are literally unkillable, while he risks his life and brings the information to the town. And you go like "Pfft. I knew that.

This is why I pointed out disco during the entire pever mess (along with all of the other info on the pever mess) much before the investigation of luca ever took place on him. Withold information? Strike 2 here. Take a look at what I do before making accusations because it makes you look bad.

Do the said people provide any plausible reason?

Yeah, some of them do. His behavior in the thread was a big complaint. Individual feelings when PM'ing him was another. Just the fact that I seemed more trustworthy was a third.

Weird. Since you most likely know that there are multiple Mafia famillies, and although I never read such a claim, what is ATPG then, that no Mafia familly attacked him yet. Is he mysteriously the Don of all famillies? Is that what you think?

Sarcastically trying to attribute something to me is not at all a relevant reply to that point. Strike 3. That being said, one of Kage's criticisms fall apart with what I've seen now (indeed a role name can be given in an investigation).

I have heard of people sharing their Role PMs more than once. I have no idea if the Mafia themselves have fake Role PMs as well.

There are cover roles in this game for sure, I've seen them on 2 important pro town roles so far. However, playing Capo before, as a Luca of a family, we didn't get one. Also, no cover role I've seen has been the standard townie role in the first place. Any other reason you can bring as to why I might possess that PM so early in the game? Thought so... Strike 4 (exhausted the regular rules so I'll add strikes for you).

Oh, but being the Director has a great advantage, which is being trusted (As the most voted person) by most of the comunity. That would largely surpass any limitation you would have on a kill or protect ability.

So you give a motive that can be applied to anyone else too. It is completely general, and as such has no special relevancy on me or anyone else. Also, you have brought zero evidence against me being a townie and have not satisfactorily addressed my challenges. I wish I could enjoy such epistemic certainty on such weak grounds like you.

"whether you yourself are innocent. The way I see it, you sure aren't. "

Tell us, what is the way you see it? (I hope it's not the above tripe you posted based on false accusations and general suspicion at holding a director position that has been completely dismantled).

Another weird part. Curious how I was days ago accused of trying to enter a Mafia familly trying and bring down and betray and backstab ATPG, and now I'm his "guard dog" if you so quickly range from one extreme to the other, might I know for what reason do you want to lynch me?

Did I accuse you of that first thing? So it can't be weird attributed to me in the first place. Strike 5. And who cares what your alignment was days ago? In Capo, alliances shift, easily. If you don't know these things then please keep your posts in check so as not to betray them and get called out on them. Strike 6.

I want to lynch you because you're annoying, misguided, and against me. My self preservation is my number one interest. I'm having a good time in this game despite being a simple townie. This director position gives me much more influence than I would normally have, and I plan on keeping it.

Essentially Jolt, Atpg's been in the spotlight since the start, I never really jumped on his case until after the drama of Atpg essentially saying that he was the only way to win with: "Go ahead and lynch me. I double dog dare you. Lose the game. I don't care." is the direct quote. This attitude has also been present in Beskar (which I just 'd off) and you (taken a bit more seriously). Why did I jump on his case then? Well, because it stuck out as scummy, and I remembered the questions Kage brought up (probably a made gangster investigator in Atpg's crew) which I had already thought to be quite damning.

I'm not the only one who's been on Atpg for this reason of course, most notably khaan has made a long set of posts dealing with the exact issue of Atpg's indignant attitude and how it was scummy. Of course you aren't uttering a word against khaan, maybe because he's not the Director? (yes I can speculate on your motives too and I can, unlike you, point to a tangible reason - we remember your weak push for the job earlier)

But feel free to share the against Atpg = Mafia sentiment that Beskar has. As for me, I think it's best to keep a check on a group with certain undeniable evidences going against them, and - gasp - even push for their lynch. It's OK if you may think that we'll lose without Atpg. He's a good player for sure, but somehow I think the town depends on more than one person. We got GH after all...

It's really odd, Atpg's supporters are the ones that have added the most fire against him in my eyes...

[a completely inoffensive name]

Yeah, and I'm a lizard Zionist.

No.....

You should read up on what WIFOM is, because WIFOM is plenty times what gets innocent townies lynched.

Nope....

No it is you who is the mafia!

Guys this is just becoming a giant accuseapaloza. Calm down a little.

YAY!!!!! Someone got the message!

[Askthepizzaguy]

But feel free to share the against Atpg = Mafia sentiment that Beskar has. As for me, I think it's best to keep a check on a group with certain undeniable evidences going against them, and - gasp - even push for their lynch. It's OK if you may think that we'll lose without Atpg. He's a good player for sure, but somehow I think the town depends on more than one person. We got GH after all...

Agreed; and I take it back, if I die, you will be all right. The role is important, but, I didn't mean to imply that the town would perish without me inserting myself into things.

He's a good player for sure

Thanks, it's nice to hear... you too.

It's really odd, Atpg's supporters are the ones that have added the most fire against him in my eyes...

I didn't have anything to do with that Jolt speech against you... That's 100% Jimmeh McJolteh himself. I think scrutinizing Reenk is good, but I didn't think it was persuasive.






Tally, from the beginning, double checked.


Discovery1: 15 (Kommodus, Sasaki Kojiro, beskar, YLC, Askthepizzaguy, Double A, Psychonaut, Johnhughthom, slashandburn, Jolt, LittleGrizzly, SSNeoperestroika, Caius, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, Ironside)
Andres: 5 (Tincow, DisgruntledGoat, Leet Eriksson, Kagemusha, Joe Monks)
Askthepizzaguy: 5 (Shinseikhaan, Crazed Rabbit, Chaotix, AggonyDuck, Rhyfelwyr)
Double A: 2 (Scottishranger, gibsonsg91921)
beefy187: 2 (Andres, woad&fangs)

Abstain: Tratorix, Xehh II, Moros, atheotes, twilightblade

[Beefy187]

Vote: Disco

[atheotes]

I have the results from the Double A protection, and that was: utter failure. There was at least one person who did not send in their order, possibly two. I did mention in an earlier post that a full investigation of each member is being conducted, tonight if possible. I have a top suspect but I don't want to slander anyone's name publicly unless I hear their side of the story.

If pressed, I'll give names, but I'd prefer to deal with it privately, if that's all right.

thanks for that...i am not keen on the names right away... what you have said essentially means Double A was not protected by any protection group or anyone we know of... i dont know how the doctor role works...so it is possible that he is a don and it was his Luca that saved him...

unvote, Vote:Double A

[Beskar]

Is it just me, or are all of Reenk Roink's posts basically:

blah blah you are wrong blah I am right. with more 's and 's thrown in for good measure?

It feels like every time I read his posts, I am getting deja vu.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Is it just me, or are all of Reenk Roink's posts basically:

blah blah you are wrong blah I am right. with more 's and 's thrown in for good measure?

It feels like every time I read his posts, I am getting deja vu.

I agree, Reenk is not to be trusted.

[Reenk Roink]

Is it just me, or are all of Reenk Roink's posts basically:

blah blah you are wrong blah I am right. with more 's and 's thrown in for good measure?

It feels like every time I read his posts, I am getting deja vu.

Says the guy who said "Atpg is innocent and everyone who disagrees is Mafia"

It's because your caustic one liners deserve all the and they get.

At least with Jolt I had to add some words in to refute actual points, you not so much.

[Beskar]

Says the guy who said "Atpg is innocent and everyone who disagrees is Mafia"

It's because your caustic one liners deserve all the and they get.

At least with Jolt I had to add some words in to refute actual points, you not so much.

So instead of refuting, you prove my point?

[Reenk Roink]

So instead of refuting, you prove my point?

What's there to refute?

edit:

[Beskar]

Ah, so you completely agree with my post then? I won teh internetz.

[Double A]

thanks for that...i am not keen on the names right away... what you have said essentially means Double A was not protected by any protection group or anyone we know of... i dont know how the doctor role works...so it is possible that he is a don and it was his Luca that saved him...

unvote, Vote:Double A

Doctor is like regular protect, but it works. I think.

About not dying: I was lucky, didn't you read that? The mafia just needs to keep better care of their guns is all.

[White_eyes:D]

Your really expect town, to look at that and say it had to do with a GUN MALFUNCTION??