Permanent Stone Forts question

**bovi** · 08-18-2009, 08:10

That map is already really crowded. I fear it would become siege total war with that density.

**Atraphoenix** · 08-18-2009, 09:27

maximum 2 psf per province is logical otherwise we will spend half of our time with just besieging them.
I am planning to put 2 for large provinces and 1 for others even 0 for small provinces.
otherwise you have to put just 2000 psf only for all historical greek colonies.

**The General** · 08-18-2009, 10:01

Originally Posted by bovi

That map is already really crowded. I fear it would become siege total war with that density.

No... More... Sieges, puh-leeaase.

**Atraphoenix** · 08-18-2009, 10:52

If you think like that just imagine me how I will conquer cities with horse archers under pahlava.

Even I wrote a guide on it after years of playing with nomad factions.

**The General** · 08-19-2009, 15:31

Originally Posted by Atraphoenix

If you think like that just imagine me how I will conquer cities with horse archers under pahlava.

Even I wrote a guide on it after years of playing with nomad factions.

It's pretty easy to conquer towns/cities with wooden walls with HAs if you've got something mêlèe-capable units to deal with the final phase/engaging the general(s) (I'm playing currently as Baktria and the majority of my forces is made up of Shivatir-i Pahlavanig, Dahae Baexdzhyntae, Thanvare Payahdag, Nizagan-i Eranshahr and Thanvare Parsig units...).

However, castles/cities/forts are a little different in M2:TW...

My point was in general against sieges, I've just never liked them particularly. (Actually archer/HA-heavy armies can make some of them quite fun, it's always rewarding to see Pantodapoi/Pantodapoi Phalangitai/Gund-i Palta/Shuban-i Fradakhshana units melt under hails of hundreds or thousands of arrows)

**Atraphoenix** · 08-19-2009, 18:12

Build sige machines pahlava is not capable of building them (historical issue)
I just wonder if they were weak in siege warfare how did they can conquered whole persia and how did they mange to scale the mighty walls of seleukeia?
BTW I do not want to divert the topic...

**Cartaphilus** · 08-20-2009, 13:19

Keep sieging the city till the garrison is forced to sally forth.

**The General** · 08-20-2009, 14:58

Originally Posted by Cartaphilus

Keep sieging the city till the garrison is forced to sally forth.

But...but... I want to be more like the Mongol horde, storming cities and roaming the country with my cavalry forces, rather than having my cavalrymen sitting on their arse for two years or more...

**Owen Glyndwr** · 08-20-2009, 20:04

Originally Posted by Cartaphilus

Keep sieging the city till the garrison is forced to sally forth.

Yeah! That's how I do it anyways!

**Atraphoenix** · 08-21-2009, 13:37

Originally Posted by Cartaphilus

Keep sieging the city till the garrison is forced to sally forth.

you are forgetting the negative traits when you send your general to siege, like hesitant attacker even some are permenant ...

P.S. do not say send the captain then, I am a blitzer yeah, but I blitz with role play ..
too ironic yes...