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    Talk to Frank - TV Advert from the UK about Personal Use of Cannabis -
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    Considering many of our elected officials grew up in the hippie culture of the 60's & 70's you wouldn't think decriminalization of pot would be much of a stretch. Lord knows California could make billions in tax revenue. If big tobacco was smart they'd lobby to switch products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Talk to Frank - TV Advert from the UK about Personal Use of Cannabis -
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    A lot of those bad symptoms only come into play when:

    A. You dont smoke a lot of weed and you're not really used to it,

    B. You smoke weed somewhat regularly, and in a particular session you smoke more than you usually would, or you are smoking higher quality stuff then you are used to.

    C. You have a pre-disposed hypersensitivity to Tetrahydrocannabinol, in which case you shouldn't really be smoking weed anyway.

    This type of person is the one Jamaicans talk about when they say " 'E dont 'ave a 'ead fa ganja"


    most of the time it's only Hungry Happy Sleepy, thats it!!!!!
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    A lot of those bad symptoms only come into play when:

    A. You dont smoke a lot of weed and you're not really used to it,

    B. You smoke weed somewhat regularly, and in a particular session you smoke more than you usually would, or you are smoking higher quality stuff then you are used to.

    C. You have a pre-disposed hypersensitivity to Tetrahydrocannabinol, in which case you shouldn't really be smoking weed anyway.

    This type of person is the one Jamaicans talk about when they say " 'E dont 'ave a 'ead fa ganja"


    most of the time it's only Hungry Happy Sleepy, thats it!!!!!
    So they do come into play. Also, lets not forget the long term memory damage (seen that personally) and the psychotic breaks.

    The truth is, the really shocking thing is that tobaco is still legal, not that cannabis isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    So they do come into play. Also, lets not forget the long term memory damage (seen that personally) and the psychotic breaks.

    The truth is, the really shocking thing is that tobaco is still legal, not that cannabis isn't.
    Cannabis is not harmless, lets not forget that. It should still be Legal, however, and tobacco should NOT be made illegal.

    Also, Long term Memory Damage? whoever you saw that had that, either was one of the "type C" people i just talked about, or they smoked A HELLLLL OF A LOT OF CANNABIS. More than a self proclaimed pothead such as myself would recommend anyone consume.

    The psychosis is rare, as well. Once again some people are predisposed to it, and shouldn't be smoking it anyway. If it were legal to smoke pot then people would be able to be tested to see if they have this or not. I'm sure they can do this now, but given Cannabis's legal status at the moment i would think people are too afraid to admit they use it.

    The point of my previous post is that those symptoms are not really commonplace, and that largely, marijuana is not a dangerous drug. It is vastly safer than Alcohol. It is even Safer than aspirin, and if you use a vaporizer then it is EVEN SAFER as there is no lung damage whatsoever.

    For your consideration: In 1988 Administrative Law Judge for the DEA, Hon. Francis L. Young, stated that "Cannabis, in its natural form, is one of the SAFEST therapeutically active substances known to mankind" (emphasis mine)

    he also said this:

    "At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around
    1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in onemarijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response."
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderSextus View Post
    Cannabis is not harmless, lets not forget that. It should still be Legal, however, and tobacco should NOT be made illegal.

    Also, Long term Memory Damage? whoever you saw that had that, either was one of the "type C" people i just talked about, or they smoked A HELLLLL OF A LOT OF CANNABIS. More than a self proclaimed pothead such as myself would recommend anyone consume.

    The psychosis is rare, as well. Once again some people are predisposed to it, and shouldn't be smoking it anyway. If it were legal to smoke pot then people would be able to be tested to see if they have this or not. I'm sure they can do this now, but given Cannabis's legal status at the moment i would think people are too afraid to admit they use it.

    The point of my previous post is that those symptoms are not really commonplace, and that largely, marijuana is not a dangerous drug. It is vastly safer than Alcohol. It is even Safer than aspirin, and if you use a vaporizer then it is EVEN SAFER as there is no lung damage whatsoever.

    For your consideration: In 1988 Administrative Law Judge for the DEA, Hon. Francis L. Young, stated that "Cannabis, in its natural form, is one of the SAFEST therapeutically active substances known to mankind" (emphasis mine)

    he also said this:

    "At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around
    1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in onemarijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response."
    The psychois alone is reason enough to keep it illegal. What you call "Type C" people are far more common than you think. The fact is that Cannabis is not less dangerous than alchohol because it is extremely dangerous in small quantities. You have to drink a lot to suffer any real longterm damage, and the damage is progressive and predictable.

    Pot, will screw you up really quick, just like E will kill you first time. Booze, you have to abuse yourself for a long time to really mess things up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    The psychois alone is reason enough to keep it illegal. What you call "Type C" people are far more common than you think. The fact is that Cannabis is not less dangerous than alchohol because it is extremely dangerous in small quantities. You have to drink a lot to suffer any real longterm damage, and the damage is progressive and predictable.

    Pot, will screw you up really quick, just like E will kill you first time. Booze, you have to abuse yourself for a long time to really mess things up.
    Sorry, i'm gonna have to post something a bit long, because i'm really right now. The things you are saying are IMHO a result of listening to mostly twisted and skewed stats.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Armentano, Senior policy director, NORML.
    According to news from the Associated Press and others, investigators at London's Kings College reported that the administration of doses of synthetic THC temporarily interfered with activity in the inferior frontal cortex, a region of the brain associated with paranoia, while administration of the non-psychoactive compound cannabidiol (CBD) stimulated relaxation. The reports go on to suggest that chronic use of cannabis may precipitate various types of mental illness and cite a separate unpublished study indicating that cannabis use may exacerbate symptoms of schizophrenia.

    Such clinical findings and suggestions are not new. Scientists have known for decades that THC is psychoactive and that peak blood levels of its primary active metabolite 11-OH-THC are occasionally associated with temporary feelings of dysphoria, paranoia, and even panic attacks. (These events, when documented, typically occur in cannabis naïve users.)

    Conversely, scientists have also been long aware of CBD's anxiolytic and anti-psychotic effects. In fact, many experts speculate that it is the lack of CBD in Marinol (the synthetic THC oral prescription pill) that is responsible for the drug's enhanced psychoactivity. By contrast, CBD occurs naturally in whole-plant cannabis, and is believed to modify and/or diminish some of the psychoactivity associated with THC when cannabis is inhaled.

    Fears that chronic cannabis use may be positively associated with various mental illnesses, particularly schizophrenia, are also long-standing. However, a recent meta-analysis investigating the use of cannabis use and its impact on mental health reported that those who use cannabis in moderation, even long-term "will not suffer any lasting physical or mental harm. ... Overall, by comparison with other drugs used mainly for 'recreational' purposes, cannabis could be rated to be a relatively safe drug."



    The phrase "relatively safe" is appropriate in any discussion regarding cannabis and mental health. No substance is harmless and in many cases, the relative dangers of a drug may be increased or decreased depending on set and setting. Cannabis is no different.

    There is limited data suggesting an association, albiet a minor one, 2-3 between chronic cannabis (primarily among adolescents and/or those predisposed to mental illness) and increased symptoms of depression, psychotic symptoms, and/or schizophrenia. 4-6 However, interpretation of this data is troublesome and, to date, this observation association is not well understood. 7-9 Identified as well as unidentified confounding factors (such as poverty, family history, polydrug use, etc.) make it difficult, if not impossible, for researchers to adequately determine whether any cause-and-effect relationship exists between cannabis use and mental illness. Also, many experts point out that this association may be due to patients' self-medicating with cannabis, 10 as survey data and anecdotal reports of individuals finding therapeutic relief from both clinical depression and schizotypal behavior are common within medical lore, and clinical testing on the use of cannabinoids to treat certain symptoms of mental illness has been recommended. 11

    Most recently, a large-scale study by investigators at London's Institute of Psychiatry reported that those patients diagnosed with schizophrenia who had previously used cannabis did not demonstrate exacerbated symptoms of the illness compared to age-adjusted controls who had not used cannabis. "This [finding] argues against a distinct schizophrenia-like psychosis caused by cannabis," they concluded. 12

    Investigators in the study did not address whether cannabis consumers had greater odds of contracting schizophrenia when compared to otherwise matched controls who did not have a history of cannabis use. However, a 2006 review by Britain's Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD) previously concluded, "For individuals, the current evidence suggests, at worst, that using cannabis increases lifetime risk of developing schizophrenia by one percent." 13

    Nevertheless, until this association is better understood, there may be some merit to various government warnings that adolescents (particularly pre and early teens) and/or adults with pre-existing symptoms of mental illness refrain from using cannabis (and/or other psychoactive substances), particularly in large quantities. This statement, however, is hardly an indictment of cannabis' relative safety when used in moderation by adults or an endorsement of the federal government's efforts to criminally prohibit its use for all Americans. If anything, just the opposite is true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cute Wolf View Post
    I think that was a way to hide actual names.... he allready said...
    Well placed humour my friend. Adrian's tongue was well placed in his cheek.

    DA, I didn't realise you were a burnt out hippy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave View Post
    Well placed humour my friend. Adrian's tongue was well placed in his cheek.

    DA, I didn't realise you were a burnt out hippy?
    Hey, don't say "burnt out" to a fireman.

    In fact, I bet that right about now he'd much rather be reading our comments here than fighting the out-of-control brushfires North of us, as I assume he's doing right now.
    Be well. Do good. Keep in touch.

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    DA I wrote a similar letter to my Congressman last year. Major props for being involved and trying to intent this ridiculous, money sucking drug war.



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