Does God hate women?

[Fragony]

Oh ticks, schticks. Where is your evidence that the reputation of Henk Krol (chief editor of our largest gay magazine who succesfully tackled Ramadan over his homophobia) has been 'destroyed'? He has been vindicated on all sides, for freak's sake. Will you be lying through your teeth whenever it serves the great 'cause'?

que wut, what does that have to do with this; you missed out oh teh Muslims, oh teh immigrants and oh teh poofs.

And the Ramadan fail is quite telling, a fascinating study in PC-scaling. Henk Krol publishes his texts, the fanboys claim mallign intend and claim that it was wrongly translated, followed with if you don't agree you are ill and need an injection. Lying for the liar, obviously the Islam is on the highest PC-scale, WAY above women and gays. And if any carrotmunching head rolls because of this, I hereby sincerely promise to vote for the PVDA next election. Absolutely unthinkbale.

you missed out oh teh Muslims, oh teh immigrants and oh teh poofs.

HA! If you put it like that it looks almost as if he was fired because he said women shopuld have there eyes peeled at the concrete at all times, which is of course rubbish, he was fired for woring for a Iranian tv-station, otherwise he was still building bridgeslol

[Adrian II]

In countries like Iran women are abused because of religious opinion. A hundred years ago this would have been intollerable, today it is excused as "cultural difference".

Where? By whom? Can you mention any left-wing party leader or ideologue who excuses the abuse of women in Iran as mere 'cultural difference'?

The case of Germaine Greer is interesting in that it represents precisely the limits of liberal tolerance. Greer's profoundly silly book The Whole Woman in which she defends female circumcision and rejects pap smears, among lots more nonsense, has exasperated reviewers and (previous) followers, to the point where they now realise that her books never were very good anyway and that even The Female Eunuch, her magnum opus, was in hindsight seriously flawed and essentially hysterical. In other words, she's finished and she has only herself to blame.

[Adrian II]

And the Ramadan fail is quite telling, a fascinating study in PC-scaling. Henk Krol publishes his texts, the fanboys claim mallign intend and claim that it was wrongly translated, followed with if you don't agree you are ill and need an injection.

Care to tell us again who was fired, tarred and feathered and chased out of the country? Ramadan? Or Krol?

[Fragony]

Care to tell us again who was fired, tarred and feathered and chased out of the country? Ramadan? Or Krol?

Did I miss something and was Ramadan suddenly fired because of his texts, or am I still on this world and is he still fired for working for the Iranian TV-network?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Where? By whom? Can you mention any left-wing party leader or ideologue who excuses the abuse of women in Iran as mere 'cultural difference'?

The case of Germaine Greer is interesting in that it represents precisely the limits of liberal tolerance. Greer's profoundly silly book The Whole Woman in which she defends female circumcision and rejects pap smears, among lots more nonsense, has exasperated reviewers and (previous) followers, to the point where they now realise that her books never were very good anyway and that even The Female Eunuch, her magnum opus, was in hindsight seriously flawed and essentially hysterical. In other words, she's finished and she has only herself to blame.

Try the pundits in Britain. Cohen's position is emblematic of a feeling of exasperation here, one example being the Somali girl who cut another girl with a razor and the Judge said the victim was partly to blame because, "In Somalia..."

Another example would be the Imans saying things like, "Islam is not compatable with democracy", who are advising the government on "Muslim Relations".

[Don Corleone]

This whole discussion thus far reminds me of the old American political trick of "Senator, when did you stop beating your wife..."

I find myself in amazement agreeing with Adrian and Pizzaguy over IA & Fragony, I think we would all agree I'm overwhlemingly more likely to line up the other way...

But most especially, I have to agree with Adrian. I don't read the article as an indictment of the political left, per se. I see it more as an indictment of Western society in general, and the author makes the point of "Even from those we would expect the loudest outcy, barely a whimper".

Sadly, at the end of the day, Louis is right. But not just about the Left, about us as a society in general. Women's issues always receive lip service, but when it comes time to make a hard choice, they seem to be relegated to the back of the bus. I wonder if Rosa Parks would be as celebrated if she were riding in the front on behalf of women, not blacks.

I think all sides tolerate too much of other cultures in this regard. Somewhere along the way, we all received the same message, that to speak out against the behaviors of a culture that has cultural norms that offend yours is bigotry, and the only civilized position to take is none at all.

Baloney. Hijabs? The women themselves prefer to wear them (more so when they're in enclaves in the West then when they're in Islamic lands in the first place). So, let them wear them.

Female circumcison? I think we have to stand up as a society and say No. Not now, not ever. We abhor this practice and will not tolerate it. Virtue is all about balance, and somehow, we've lost our balance on society.

So, IA, Frag.... I don't disagree with your ire, just the target of it. Cast a wider net... it's to all of our shame that girls in West London are being circumcised at age 12, or 10 year old girls in Arizona are being raped and their fathers are telling police not to investegate, that she deserved it.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Perhaps, Don, your confusion stems because you don't realise IA and Frag see their contries as being ruled by, and having the collective morality dictated by, the Left.

I do not condone the things you mention, and I would not allow them if I were in government. However, with views like that you get branded a racist and can't get elected.

[Fragony]

So, IA, Frag.... I don't disagree with your ire, just the target of it. Cast a wider net... it's to all of our shame that girls in West London are being circumcised at age 12, or 10 year old girls in Arizona are being raped and their fathers are telling police not to investegate, that she deserved it.

But I have only one target, and that target is the multicultural left. This cultural relativism is nothing but pure betrayal to me, western culture is superior to other cultures and we should stand for our values, politicians who are too afraid to speak out against this abuse 'out of respect' are nothing but my mortal enemies.

J'accuse

Perhaps, Don, your confusion stems because you don't realise IA and Frag see their contries as being ruled by, and having the collective morality dictated by, the Left.

This is a very useful comment, yes.

Would you like a selection of quotes from yourself again frag?

Since it would be me having a beer while you are wasting your time, fine. Or do you keep a record. Oh no that can't be it you see them in threads where they aren't, where they wouldn't add anything! Were they that bad that they are forever burned on you ratina? Seeing them everywhere you go? Or just in threads.

[Adrian II]

Did I miss something and was Ramadan suddenly fired because of his texts, or am I still on this world and is he still fired for working for the Iranian TV-network?

He has been fired for a host of reasons: his theology, his tapes, his lack of scientific credibility, his duplicity, his work for Iranian tv. The mayor of Rotterdam, Achmed Atoutaleb, has been wanting to get rid of Ramadan for over a year...

[Adrian II]

[..] one example being the Somali girl who cut another girl with a razor and the Judge said the victim was partly to blame because, "In Somalia..." Another example would be the Imans saying things like, "Islam is not compatable with democracy".

Wow, a judge and a couple imams. Left-wingers to a tee, eh?

Come on, deliver. Gimme some left-wingers who condone Iranian abuse of women because it's a different culture. That's what you said, remember? I want names. Even 1 name would at least lend some credibility to you claim, though one left-winger doesn't make a trend.

[Fragony]

his work for Iranian tv.

Yep that finally did it, indeed his theology, his tapes, his lack of scientific credibility, his duplicity (I could add some more points of attention, like his admiration of his grand-dad younowho) his work at the Iranian tv finaly did it indeed. Took a while, but he went too far. Finally, must have assumed he would get away with it, so did I really.

[Tribesman]

que wut, what does that have to do with this;

It has to do with this.

It must be bliss to live in your little cocoon and make things up without bothering with the outside world.

Fragony making things up ? never
So while adrian listed some of your favourite topics for inventing "facts" I simply added some more of your speciality subjects where you really like to invent "facts" on a huge scale.

[Adrian II]

So while adrian listed some of your favourite topics for inventing "facts" I simply added some more of your speciality subjects where you really like to invent "facts" on a huge scale.

Good to have you back with guns blazing, me boy. We should make a tagging schedule for threads like these, saves us time.

[Fragony]

Is it just me or am I slapping AdrianII around Tribes, you are welcome to join I got two hands.

[Tribesman]

We should make a tagging schedule for threads like these, saves us time.

It takes no time at all really, all that is required is to get a brief description of the themes the topic covers .
Decide if any of those are Frags speciality subjects.
Then work on the basis that he is going to be inventing "facts" like there is no tommorrow.
Simple isn't it.

[Moros]

That is the utmost rediculous article I ever read. Dear god.
Being right or left aside, but that article is just plain silly. And I strike it as odd that it is not apparant to everyone. If you think logically you can't come to any other conclusion. Unless your letting your ideals corrupt your proces of thought.

[Adrian II]

Is it just me or am I slapping AdrianII around Tribes, you are welcome to join I got two hands.

It's just you again, darling.

And somewhere, someone is googling like mad for a left-wing politician who condones abuse of women in Iran...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It's just you again, darling.

And somewhere, someone is googling like mad for a left-wing politician who condones abuse of women in Iran...

Actually, I'm back to actually working.

I probably wouldn't find one, because we don't like the Iranians any more. I'm sure I could find something on the right of Pakistanis to marry their daughters to their brothers' sons, though.

[Fragony]

But I thought AdrianII and me just agreed that it wasn't really like he said it is, namely that Ramadan was fired for working on Iranian guv network and not because of his texts, despite his theology, his tapes, his lack of scientific credibility, his duplicity he wasn't dropped like a brick, quite the contrary. What a discussion, should someone who feels that women should have their eyes peeled at the concrete at all times serve as a bridge between communities, he doesn't even speak dutch. Complete and utter leftist madness yet they went all the way for him, up to the professors of unsurprisingly the University of Amsterdam. And as we already know, Rotterdam lying about tapes, lying about how they are wrongly translated to keep a piece of crap like this out of the wind. It costs 350.000 euro a year but at least you have someone visiting your party's when he isn't really everywhere.

[Moros]

Actually, I'm back to actually working.

I probably wouldn't find one, because we don't like the Iranians any more. I'm sure I could find something on the right of Pakistanis to marry their daughters to their brothers' sons, though.

Well you can do that in the UK as well...

[InsaneApache]

Come on, deliver. Gimme some left-wingers who condone Iranian abuse of women because it's a different culture. That's what you said, remember? I want names. Even 1 name would at least lend some credibility to you claim, though one left-winger doesn't make a trend.

George Galloway.

I can read but more than that, I can think as well as chew gum.

Multiculturlism is a child of the left. Once upon a time the left stood for things. Equality for one.

It's like this sharia law bunkum, there should be one law for all citizens, applied equally. Without exception.

[Adrian II]

George Galloway.

So what did he say and where?

[InsaneApache]

I used to listen to him on TalkSport. I'm sure if you go to their site they will have an archive.

OK I'll hold my hands up. He doesn't condone but he is an apologist. A useful idiot. A dhimmi.

A bit like those funny chaps who go around denying things that happened somewhere in central Europe in the 1940s.*

*Did I get away with avoiding Godwin?

[Tribesman]

It's like this sharia law bunkum

Good point , those sharia law stories are bunkum.
Oh thats not what you meant is it

[HoreTore]

I used to listen to him on TalkSport. I'm sure if you go to their site they will have an archive.

OK I'll hold my hands up. He doesn't condone but he is an apologist. A useful idiot. A dhimmi.

A bit like those funny chaps who go around denying things that happened somewhere in central Europe in the 1940s.*

*Did I get away with avoiding Godwin?

So he's an apologist? What does he say then? Things like "female circumcision isn't a religion thing, it's a cultural thing" or "we also do x"?

Oh, and using "weird islamic phrases" like "dhimmi" doesn't make you cool.

[InsaneApache]

[Adrian II]

OK I'll hold my hands up. He doesn't condone but he is an apologist. A useful idiot. A dhimmi.

He does not support, condone, excuse, or even show 'understanding' for, the abuse of women in Iran?

That's 3 - 0 for Adrian II then..

By the way, I'm not even sure Galloway is a lefty anymore. Or useful to anyone. Just 'idiot' seems to cover it quite well, really.

Anyone else want to have a go at my question? Name one left-wing leader or ideologue who condones the abuse of women in Iran. Winner gets a free beard, 72 virgins and a book on the Holocaust.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Well you can do that in the UK as well...

Um, we can? I'm pretty sure we can't.

[Tribesman]

Um, we can? I'm pretty sure we can't.

Of course you can , just like you can in most of the US, you can over here too but I think you have to get a letter from the Pope if you want it done in church, its common with the tinkers as they have the clan thing and the whole patrilineal gubbins that was traditional throughout europe.
But just off hand PVC how many married cousins can you quickly think of in Christian scripture?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Of course you can , just like you can in most of the US, you can over here too but I think you have to get a letter from the Pope if you want it done in church, its common with the tinkers as they have the clan thing and the whole patrilineal gubbins that was traditional throughout europe.
But just off hand PVC how many married cousins can you quickly think of in Christian scripture?

Plenty.