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    But what about the tourists?
    Abandon all hope.

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    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    I understand but I still don't see what tourists could do, say, in a situation where it is a very difficult situation.

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    It doesn't affect tourists, it doesn't affect foreigners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    It doesn't affect tourists, it doesn't affect foreigners.
    So, it's gone from "silly" to just "plain evil" then....
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    It doesn't affect tourists, it doesn't affect foreigners.
    Oh, well, as long as it only affects the minorities with the nerve to live in Slovakia, it's fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    It doesn't affect tourists, it doesn't affect foreigners.
    Yes it does. But barely.

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    Whilst I do feel sorry for the tourists (what if they don't speak Slovenian?), a big meh from me too. Balkan nations like Slovenia simply missed out on the nineteenth century, and have some catching up to do.


    How did the Italians came to speak Italian? And the Swedes Swedish? With the exception of Iceland and other assorted lumps of rock, states create nations, not the other way round.

    Although one could question the wisdom of going all 19th century on minorities anymore. What Europe needs, is not the EU, but Belgium. The most civilized state in Europe, and which provides the only workable solution - even though it is unworkable and proof they are all barking mad up there.
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    Damn, I guess I'd better cancel that trip to Slovakia then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Whilst I do feel sorry for the tourists (what if they don't speak Slovenian?), a big meh from me too. Balkan nations like Slovenia simply missed out on the nineteenth century, and have some catching up to do.


    How did the Italians came to speak Italian? And the Swedes Swedish? With the exception of Iceland and other assorted lumps of rock, states create nations, not the other way round.

    Although one could question the wisdom of going all 19th century on minorities anymore. What Europe needs, is not the EU, but Belgium. The most civilized state in Europe, and which provides the only workable solution - even though it is unworkable and they are all barking mad up there.
    Well, Wales is trying to go Welsh-only again now, so I think the fad is over Loius.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    Well, Wales is trying to go Welsh-only again now, so I think the fad is over Loius.
    Yes, well, that's still not sufficient reason to spell my name in Welsh. It's 'Louis the Fat', not 'The fad Loius'.
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    Yes, well, that's still not sufficient reason to spell my name in Welsh. It's 'Louis the Fat', not 'The fad Loius'.
    Um, sorry, I assume you're joking, but you used a sad smiley.
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    My smilie usually indicates a joke. What's more, their use is part of the joke. The format is always the same. I accuse others of being stupid while making an utter fool of myself:

    'Tsk. Am I the only refined intellectual here who knows that the capital of Slovakia is Montenegro? Sheesh. '


    I shouldn't explain my jokes. I've got only three. One of which will be of no use any longer.
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    So apparently Slovakia is out of plans since I may face unpleasant consequences as a tourist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    Um, sorry, I assume you're joking, but you used a sad smiley.
    Should read the Louisianisms for dummies book, it's rather good if I may say. Or am I the only one who reads books out here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    And the Swedes Swedish?
    In the good old days, almost the entire Scandinavia spoke the same language. Had nothing to do with nation building. The Sami still speak Sami though; perhaps you should look at that instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    My smilie usually indicates a joke. What's more, their use is part of the joke. The format is always the same. I accuse others of being stupid while making an utter fool of myself:

    'Tsk. Am I the only refined intellectual here who knows that the capital of Slovakia is Montenegro? Sheesh. '


    I shouldn't explain my jokes. I've got only three. One of which will be of no use any longer.
    Well, if it mattered that much you could PM me. Clearly, I have not been the butt of one of your jokes before, sorry again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    In the good old days, almost the entire Scandinavia spoke the same language. Had nothing to do with nation building. The Sami still speak Sami though; perhaps you should look at that instead.
    Yes, and the entire Latin world spoke Latin once. Nevertheless, after different languages had formed, the 'langue d'oc' was eradicated from France just as much as Sweden eradicated Danish from Helland, Blekinge and Skåne. Both are clear examples of nation-states eradicating the minority language in their south. Just as Slovakia is doing now. The Slovakians are simply a century behind the times.

    Sometimes linguistic unification works. Sometimes it doesn't. The Sami, the Flemings and various other nature peoples in Europe and the colonies have proved remarkably succesfull in resisting the imposition of civilized languages.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    In the good old days, almost the entire Scandinavia spoke the same language. Had nothing to do with nation building. The Sami still speak Sami though; perhaps you should look at that instead.
    I think this is a Myth, Old Norse was only Norse, not some universal language. We know this, because when you settled here you brought many languages and dialects with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    Well, if it mattered that much you could PM me. Clearly, I have not been the butt of one of your jokes before, sorry again.
    You're lucky, he's stalking me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Edit: Stop apologizing, Phillipus! I am just having a laugh!
    I'm English! That's like asking a fish to stop swimming!
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    Oh ****. Why didn't I remember that. Apologising for others stepping on your toes and all that. I could've exploited that a bit more. What a waste of an opportunity to discover what shades of purple this pale Englishman's face can manage. Bah.



    AND I AM NOT STALKING YOU, MOROS! JUST BECAUSE I AM WRITING THIS ON MY LAPTOP PARKED IN THAT RED RENAULT OUTSIDE OF YOUR HOUSE IN PILSEN DOES NOT MEAN I STALK YOU, ALLRIGHT!?

    I do not even think you can see me from where you're sitting now on the second floor in the back of your house...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Yes, and the entire Latin world spoke Latin once. Nevertheless, after different languages had formed, the 'langue d'oc' was eradicated from France just as much as Sweden eradicated Danish from Helland, Blekinge and Skåne. Both are clear examples of nation-states eradicating the minority language in their south. Just as Slovakia is doing now. The Slovakians are simply a century behind the times.

    Sometimes linguistic unification works. Sometimes it doesn't. The Sami, the Flemings and various other nature peoples in Europe and the colonies have proved remarkably succesfull in resisting the imposition of civilized languages.
    Very apt, of course; but to be picky, I don't think the Scanian (Skåne) dialect was outlawed. To this date, I like to think that most Norwegians are able to tell whether a Swede comes from Skåne or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    I think this is a Myth, Old Norse was only Norse, not some universal language. We know this, because when you settled here you brought many languages and dialects with you.
    There was Old West Norse and Old East Norse. The point was though how much modernity has had an influence on the lingual unity. In Norway at least, I am pretty certain that the different Norwegian dialects at the time (if any) must have been more intelligible than what they are today. Modern western Norwegian and eastern Norwegian are about as different from each other as standard Swedish is from either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithrandir View Post
    What about the tourists?
    No problem. The Hungarians, Gypsies and other minorities have all been declared tourists. The minister for Tourism is expecting a huge peak this year.
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    This whole tourist issue is giving me insomnia. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    Damn, I guess I'd better cancel that trip to Slovakia then.
    Good point! What about the tourists?
    Abandon all hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithrandir View Post
    Good point! What about the tourists?
    Good question. The real answer of course is that most tourists won't notice anything since they don't speak Hungarian or Romany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    There was Old West Norse and Old East Norse. The point was though how much modernity has had an influence on the lingual unity. In Norway at least, I am pretty certain that the different Norwegian dialects at the time (if any) must have been more intelligible than what they are today. Modern western Norwegian and eastern Norwegian are about as different from each other as standard Swedish is from either.
    Mutual intelligability exists on multiple levels, the level at various periods between Scandanavia and England is instructive, as is the level within England. In both cases, I believe it depended on how far and often you traveled, but unity only comes with a written standard. When that was achieved in Norway I'm not sure, but it can't be before Cnut started using English missionaries to convert the populace.
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    Pathetic and utterly racist, what a bunch of bloody fools, this will do stability in eastern Europe no end of harm, what with bloody fascists popping up everywhere, including Hungary, who will no doubt begin demanding hostile nationlist measures.

    For God's sake, what on earth are Eastern Europeans smoking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meneldil View Post
    As multicultural states have proved repeatedly to be huge failures, I certainly can understand why Slovakia tries to enforce a single culture. That's going to be rough for some people, but heh, that's how things go.
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    Unemployment Australia Unemployment half that of France 3:1
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    etc.

    And what do I see when I go around Sydney. Lots of places with signs in multiple languages. I can go to Auburn for Turkish food, Hay markets for Chinese, Strathfield for Korean, Cambramatta for Vietnamese. I can turn up at a doctors surgery and see signs in multiple languages, I can turn up at hospital and see translation services in multiple languages. We have French speakers and food too and they provide a lot of culture too, I love having french bread and croissants. Italian coffee and Dutch cheese.

    I'll take multicultural failure above zero-culture success of those who believe in mono-culture any day of the week.
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