Individual Trust vs Collective Benefit - Should Boy Scouts Keep Their Knives?

[Louis VI the Fat]

*Dissenting opinion*

The boy scouts are a proto-fascistoid organisation. Little boys in faux military uniforms being indoctrinated into collectivism, militarism, the fatherland and fascistoid codes of honour. They belong to the first half of the 20th century. 'Be Prepared' - those are the exact words East German kids had to start their day with: 'Seit Bereit!'.

I'll accept that current practices are more innocent, that nowadays it is all more about having some kids make some friends and spend some time outdoors. Part of turning the Powell-Jugend into this more innocent practise is to not parade them around in armed uniforms anymore, or to teach them military skills with kiddie arms like knifes.

[CountArach]

"dangerous relic; unbridled individualism is poison to the progressive goal of collective security"

Who said that was the goal of progressivism and at that cost?

I refuse to vote in a poll with an option so blatantly biased as this.

[Furunculus]

"dangerous relic; unbridled individualism is poison to the progressive goal of collective security"

Who said that was the goal of progressivism and at that cost?

I refuse to vote in a poll with an option so blatantly biased as this.

ok :)

[Centurion1]

I am an eagle scout and i never had the urge to stab anyone with my knife. Bah, "growing knife culture" what rubbish. It has a growing knife culture because guns are illegal and criminals find it easier to get knives. I don't mean to turn this into a gun rights thing but that factors in.

[HoreTore]

I am an eagle scout and i never had the urge to stab anyone with my knife. Bah, "growing knife culture" what rubbish. It has a growing knife culture because guns are illegal and criminals find it easier to get knives. I don't mean to turn this into a gun rights thing but that factors in.

I'd say it's far, far preferable to have a "knife-culture" than a "gun-culture".

[tibilicus]

I'd say it's far, far preferable to have a "knife-culture" than a "gun-culture".

The problem is though it's a lot easier to get a knife than it is to get hold of a gun. Any one can go into their Kitchen and pick up a knife. The solution isn't the current position which the UK government is trying to pursue. I read some where about this ridiculous idea of bringing in blunt knives so you can't actually stab some one. The sensible idea would be to give children knives but teach them how to use them properly. It takes a certain person to pick up a knife, and normally that person does it either because they need to (east London FTL) or because they feel it makes them a bigger man. Either way a knife needs to be seen for what it is, a tool, not a weapon..

[naut]

I read some where about this ridiculous idea of bringing in blunt knives so you can't actually stab some one.

I do hope that where ever you read that it was a satire. Otherwise.

[HoreTore]

The problem is though it's a lot easier to get a knife than it is to get hold of a gun. Any one can go into their Kitchen and pick up a knife. The solution isn't the current position which the UK government is trying to pursue. I read some where about this ridiculous idea of bringing in blunt knives so you can't actually stab some one. The sensible idea would be to give children knives but teach them how to use them properly. It takes a certain person to pick up a knife, and normally that person does it either because they need to (east London FTL) or because they feel it makes them a bigger man. Either way a knife needs to be seen for what it is, a tool, not a weapon..

Easier to get hold of? Yes, kitchen, fishing and tool knives are easy to get hold of.... And much less dangerous than a simple baseball bat.

[Crazed Rabbit]

"dangerous relic; unbridled individualism is poison to the progressive goal of collective security"

Who said that was the goal of progressivism and at that cost?

Progressives themselves and their actions?

CR

[Furunculus]

*Dissenting opinion*

The boy scouts are a proto-fascistoid organisation. Little boys in faux military uniforms being indoctrinated into collectivism, militarism, the fatherland and fascistoid codes of honour. They belong to the first half of the 20th century. 'Be Prepared' - those are the exact words East German kids had to start their day with: 'Seit Bereit!'.

I'll accept that current practices are more innocent, that nowadays it is all more about having some kids make some friends and spend some time outdoors. Part of turning the Powell-Jugend into this more innocent practise is to not parade them around in armed uniforms anymore, or to teach them military skills with kiddie arms like knifes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoutin...y_and_conflict

The absence of real military aspects does not mean that Baden-Powell was anti-military. His efforts for peace became stronger in time, making him anti-war, but he disapproved of anti-militarism. He even did not see any harm in training in a military way.[18][20] One reason for not using military items can been seen from his reaction on the Boys Brigade. It was the intention of Baden-Powell to make an attractive boys game and he thought that the military was not attractive enough.[17] The second reason was that some parents would object military training, which would limit the reach of Scouting.[21] There was probably another reason. The centre of his Scout method was individuality (opposite to the group), making own decisions (opposite to following the commander), doing good turns, self-learning (opposite to instruction by drill)[21] and a game based on theatre and "make believe". These would never survive in a military scheme. Baden-Powell did use some parts of his profession which he found useful, like the uniform and some names, but these are always externals, never the essential fighting intention of military nor specific military techniques.