Why are the Ptolemaioi such a hated faction?

[moonburn]

It strikes me as odd that so many people have no real idea about genetics on any level and yet still claim to know everything about it from heresay and general guesswork.

The stuff i put in bold in the quote is probably the most laughable part of the whole inaccurate lot. Its way off topic so i won't explain what actually happens but if you really have to know PM me and I will give anyone a nice big boring lecture. (its actually kinda interesting if you are into that)

Seriously people, don't try and talk about specifics on anything if you really have no idea or if you heard the absolute truth according to this "real reliable guy you met down the pub". It just spreads around wrong information.

please do we´re here to learn if anyone finds it boring he can just skip it

to the best of my knowledge dna studies show that the diference beteween a native american and a greek was only of around 24.000 years since they had a common ancestor and most humans in the world are extremly similar except for africans wich are those who are most diferent from the rest and thus can be the human salvation towards a diversification of our gens pool

the explination that was given to me for this was the java super volcano that exploded around 80.000 years ago and created a type of nuclear winter wich in turn killed all major animals in great numbers and thus humans also creating a botleneck effect like the one currently seen in cheetah´s in africa

as for people talking about mutations i don´t consider them bad the base for any species diversity lies in those mutations or else we would all be clones, the major problem i believe (and i´m not certain of this) is that most mutations are the "right" mutations

[fleaza]

it doesnt matter if their children became retarded through inbreeding, its the fact that they were inbreeding that is the funny part. i mean come on, just bring a noble daughter over from makedonia and just farm babies from her. keeping power within the family is a lame excuse. ptolemy was a cunning fox but i dont tink inbreeding was one of his better ideas.

did i mention the incredibly boring starting location of the egyptians? your settlements in israel and asia minor are so vulnerable and you feel obligated to defend them.

[satalexton]

actually i tend to leave those jews and asian mountain monkeys to their own devices, n secure western north afrika first, then spam keltoi and elite pikemen to streamroll the seleukidai.

[Subotan]

as for people talking about mutations i don´t consider them bad the base for any species diversity lies in those mutations or else we would all be clones, the major problem i believe (and i´m not certain of this) is that most mutations are the "right" mutations

There's no such thing as "right mutations".

it doesnt matter if their children became retarded through inbreeding, its the fact that they were inbreeding that is the funny part. i mean come on, just bring a noble daughter over from makedonia and just farm babies from her. keeping power within the family is a lame excuse. ptolemy was a cunning fox but i dont tink inbreeding was one of his better ideas.

Yes, because Ptolemy had an advanced knowledge of genetics.

did i mention the incredibly boring starting location of the egyptians? your settlements in israel and asia minor are so vulnerable and you feel obligated to defend them.

They are in pretty much exactly the same boat as the Makedonians, who have their own undefended cities in Korinth/Pellas. Besides, I find the Ptolemaioi's position interesting because those areas are vulnerable.

[Blxz]

There's no such thing as "right mutations".

True.

Yes, because Ptolemy had an advanced knowledge of genetics.

True.

They are in pretty much exactly the same boat as the Makedonians, who have their own undefended cities in Korinth/Pellas. Besides, I find the Ptolemaioi's position interesting because those areas are vulnerable.

True again. Although I did end up losing the asia minor ones in my last game it was as a decent trade for securing every city up to and including Antiochea. It sort of requires you to spread yourself around a bit, especially if you are also chasing the southern regions and have no way to quickyl bring your army back from Meroe area, etc. Fun times with a bit of strategic planning.

[Subotan]

True.
True.
True again.

Ding ding ding! Do I win a prize?

Although I did end up losing the asia minor ones in my last game it was as a decent trade for securing every city up to and including Antiochea. It sort of requires you to spread yourself around a bit, especially if you are also chasing the southern regions and have no way to quickyl bring your army back from Meroe area, etc. Fun times with a bit of strategic planning.

Exactly. Besides, there's loads of different playing styles. You can abandon Cilicia, defend it, focus on Africa, go for Anatolia or Persia... You've got more possibilities than, say, the Luso have, who can only go into Iberia and then can go for Gaul or Africa.

[king of thracia]

As ARCHE SELEUKEIA, Ruling from the greatest throne in the world, taking all the Ptolemaioi border regions and developing them proves very lucrative. The Ptolies have had nothing outside of Egypt for many years now and I would say out of those whom I am at war with they are the least threatening to my borders those would be of the ARCHE SELEUKEIA

That is, the ARCHE SELEUKEIA, the greatest throne in the world. Did I mention that it is the greatest throne in the world? Eat it, Ptolies

[fleaza]

There's no such thing as "right mutations".

Yes, because Ptolemy had an advanced knowledge of genetics.

They are in pretty much exactly the same boat as the Makedonians, who have their own undefended cities in Korinth/Pellas. Besides, I find the Ptolemaioi's position interesting because those areas are vulnerable.

because the makedones settlements are close together and the ptolemaioi far apart. antigonos gonatas also starts near athens so he can quickly connect it. and no the makedones arent in the same boat, the ptolmies have their settlements spread throughout the desert which take 510 turns to traverse.

[Subotan]

the ptolmies have their settlements spread throughout the desert which take 510 turns to traverse.

The one legitimate complaint you have posted, and even then only to a degree if you go for Syria/Anatolia rather than Africa.

because the makedones settlements are close together and the ptolemaioi far apart.

Which is what makes the Ptolemaioi even more vulnerable, and thus even more interesting.

antigonos gonatas also starts near athens so he can quickly connect it.

Again, you seem to be thinking that the word "difficult" is a synonym for "boring". For most people, it isn't.

[Macilrille]

To mix Absinthe with anything but caramellised sugar or a bit of water is barbaric.


I have rarely fought the EB Ptolies as they are so far away then become the Yellow Fever or succumb to The Grey Death, and I have never played them either. Factions with a strong warrior ethos appeal to me, or exotic factions. Res Publica Romana, Macs and Sweboz are the former, Bactria the latter. Ptolemaioi... not. Perhaps one day in EB II.

[Subotan]

To mix Absinthe with anything but caramellised sugar or a bit of water is barbaric.

Quite. That's why I used Absinthe, as we're, uh, more "refreshing" than ginger beer, but not any less sophisticated.

[WinsingtonIII]

There's no such thing as "right mutations".

That's not entirely true. They may not be called "right" mutations per se, but there are certainly such things as beneficial mutations. Beneficial gene mutations are the basis of biological evolution.

Why is it that the last three posts I've made on this forum pertain to Darwin? It's just not normally what I expect to be talking about here...