Bataroas vs. Gaeilache (And Botroas vs. Gaeroas)

[Kikaz]

With my Arverni campaign I pretty much spam Bataroas... I mean, they kill everything...
Though I do generally back them up with a unit or two of Lugoae and Iosatae (who are then used for garrison duty as I retrain my Bataroas for their next conquest.)

[Aemilius Paulus]

With my Arverni campaign I pretty much spam Bataroas... I mean, they kill everything...

Even Pantadapoi kill everything when there is 20 units of them. For instance, Cordinau Orcas kill everything even better than Bataroas. And Bototroas are much better then Bataroas. I most certainly prefer Northern Gallic Swordsmen.

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

Even Pantadapoi kill everything when there is 20 units of them. For instance, Cordinau Orcas kill everything even better than Bataroas. And Bototroas are much better then Bataroas. I most certainly prefer Northern Gallic Swordsmen.

Your statement doesn't make any sense .

[Aemilius Paulus]

Your statement doesn't make any sense .

It does when you read it as the response to that quote in my post. And why would you put the clown there? Even if this is a jest, it is not amusing, I can assure you.

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

First off, there's no unit called "Bototroas".

Second, Botroas are Southern Gallic Swordsmen. Bataroas are Northern Gallic Swordsmen. You cannot say you prefer Botroas and "Northern Gallic Swordsmen".

[moonburn]

northern galic swordman all the way

swordman can beat almost any infantry unit, their superior defence makes them resist some archery (after you played sweaboz you learn to apreciate the arrow thick skin) and in walls they are just great ^^

pity i don´t really like playing the celts due to their weak economy

[HunGeneral]

Well I personal prefer to use swordsman over spearmen as they are the celts main strenthg and use spearmen in a cavalry counter/FM cavalry supporter role. I also prefer to get more professional troops to the field as soon as possible. Which celtic swordsman or spearmen are best I don't know since I haven't played them long enough.

[antisocialmunky]

The only thing the Gauls need is a sufficient mass of uncircumcised rage.


But otherwise, I think their swordsmen are much better. I still need to play a Casse Campaign because I Like Swords.

[DaciaJC]

Can anybody tell me why Bataroas have 5 armor and Botroas have only 1? Surely a shirt can't account for all of that difference?

Well, I suppose the helmet might figure in. Anything else?

[The General]

Even Pantadapoi kill everything when there is 20 units of them.

I and anybody who has played as Baktria, Pahlava or Saka-Rauka can testity this statement is false.

[Raygereio]

Even Pantadapoi kill everything when there are 20 units of them and they are controled by the player

Fixed?

As for the main topic; botroas and any other good solid sword- and axemen for me. That doesn't mean I ignore the spearmen though, I have at very least 4 of them to go to town on enemy cavalry.

[athanaric]

Voted for spearmen; to me, it feels unrealistic to have more swordsmen than spearmen (perhaps I'm wrong, but then I don't know too much about Celtic warfare). The problem is that the Keltoi factions don't have great line spearmen like the Suebi or Dacians. Still, Gaelaiche are good enough for an effective army, especially when supported by a few Solduros (best Gallic unit IMO, apart from Carnutes).

[NeoSpartan]

Bataroas but like to train a variety of units. So I like to mix in Gaeroas, Botroas, Uirodusios, Teceitos, etc. Once I take over the Alps I always put in 4-5 Mori Gaesum or the Alpine phalanx guys in my armies.

My goal, however, as the Aedui is to be able to train Gaesatae ASAP!

That way I can have elites in my armies and do some major a** kicking in the early game.

....once I get Neitos I am super happy.

[Arutima]

after a certain time, you'll have armies made of neitos with some spearmen to watch their flanks

[Aemilius Paulus]

after a certain time, you'll have armies made of neitos with some spearmen to watch their flanks

What is the reasoning for that? That seem opposite to common strategy sense IMHO, although I suppose you can have your own strategy I am not aware of.

The AI does not normally send their cavalry to the flanks, and if it does, then you should have your own cavalry to protect your army. A sound non-phalanx strategy would be to place spears in the centre, on guard mode, as merely the indecisive cannon fodder whose only purpose is to hold their ground, while having the swords on the flanks to encircle the enemy, along with cavalry, which will charge directly into the rear.

We all know that spearmen (especially the ones with the longer spears) are superior in guard mode, while swordsmen suffer in the same mode, due to the insufficient reach of their swords. Swordsmen are best let loose, as the killers they are, where their attack capability is maximised.

Well, I do sometimes keep some spears near the flanks as a mobile defensive force ready to respond to any flanking cavalry movements, but usually, the enemy horsemen are simply too swift for me to chase them.