Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[LittleGrizzly]

Incase anyone missed it angry dead man bitter over his early exit from life here...

[Diana Abnoba]

Incase anyone missed it angry dead man bitter over his early exit from life here...

I don't think anyone missed it, but I'm surprised it was not in big bold print.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You can yawn all you want but you aren't going to dimiss valid concerns:

You have no idea about why I attacked Sasaki though I have obviously hinted at it before when Sasaki and CR brought it up. You simply asked me why I risked my life. Go ahead and post the PM's and let the town see my replies: you clearly did nothing of the sort in warning me not to kill myself.

Uhhh...

Ok, you're accusing Sasaki of being mafia, he's accusing you of being the wolf or something. You're clearly at war with each other, I get that, but... What bugs me is that Sasaki chooses not to confront you with his reasons for not trusting you. If you read his case against you, it's something you could at least explain. So, I will ask you directly.

Why are you -apparently- a wiseguy with a townie role PM? Should be an easy explanation. I don't have time for all this sneaking around and distrust. I won't have an accusation create a rift in our combined efforts. If you can explain it, great, if not, that sucks.

You've requested not to be protected at night, and your moves this game make me doubt you're a special important role. You've also stated you're not a wiseguy either, and as such it's a pain in the neck to become a mafioso, most of the reason why you stayed townie.

So, why the solo kill attempt that could have killed you if you're a basic townie, not a wiseguy?

In another PM- (Entitled Yakety yak or something, you know which one it was)

Ok, yak yak yak, you don't have to reply. But err... yeah why were you risking your life? *whack* don't do that if you're the townie you claim to be!

I have the full copies of these PMs archived. Please don't lie about what I did say or didn't say. I very explicitly told you not to risk your life.

Why are we debating that? You're not correct on that point, and it is largely irrelevant anyway.

"Maximum evil" is another one of your fake quotes? shlin was one even you thought guilty, so don't even start that. Besides, I had nothing to do in killing shlin you see (did you set him up for the failed kill), because I was hard at work in following up leads on Ironside and LW. There's a reason I graded my suspicions and shlin was low.

Not true in the slightest.

edit: Beefy and shlin are great choices for lynches by the way. Beefy I am torn because he worked with me but undeniably I set him up to see if his protections would fail which they did... shlin should go first though, he is evil to the max.

These are your words exactly, your suspicion of shlin being low, that's a... what do you call them... a lie. This is pointless Reenk. Would you please stop undermining me, when you aren't recalling the events correctly.

One shlin does not even begin to compare to the utter failures you have directly been responsible for. Especially in this stage, when we have known Mafia in the game.

Call the beretta mafia and tell them to play their tiniest violin, because no townie has been 100% correct on their suspects. Pardon me for trying.

No, I'm talking about using your ability against both Ichigo and Pannonian. We'll just wait and see, but killing non Mafia (most likely townies) at this stage is plain idiocy.

That's constructive of you to say.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I think those PMs have been doctored.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think those PMs have been doctored.

Of course. And I edited Reenk's posts, too.

[Tratorix]

Of course. And I edited Reenk's posts, too.

Talking to the ghosts of dead scum won't solve anything.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Of course. And I edited Reenk's posts, too.

Well honestly, who's to say you haven't doctored them though? A choice word here, an added sentence there, a bolded phrase somewhere else, and bammo. There's really no way to tell.

-edit- Like you're any less scummy than me Tratorix. Why don't you tell them about your grand plans at the start of the game?

[ULC]

*screams of a damned soul trying to claw it's way out of hell*

*Looks about, grabs a bible and starts beating GH over the head with it*

Back, back from whence you spawned!

[Reenk Roink]

Uhhh....

You would be less confused if you had shown my replies to your PMs about Sasaki...

In another PM- (Entitled Yakety yak or something, you know which one it was)

I have the full copies of these PMs archived. Please don't lie about what I did say or didn't say. I very explicitly told you not to risk your life.

Don't begin to lecture me on lying, you've been caught before with much more nefarious lies (see the Kommodus post exposing you about Yaropolk).

And no you did not tell me not to not kill myself at all. Don't try to change your true reasons for asking that: talking with Sasaki and indulging his thoughts that I was not a townie, which you did consider (of course, another PM conveniently committed from the record ).

Your words are stated in question form, as you seem unsure of why I would attack Sasaki if I was a townie.

Why are we debating that? You're not correct on that point, and it is largely irrelevant anyway.

We're debating them because I don't particularly like your manipulations on how things went down concerning me. Earlier, you tried to pass off the failed hit on Rabbit as somehow my fault even though I told you very early on that I would not commit myself to such an action. When I started getting night order cc's saying I was somehow in the action of killing CR, I quickly PM'd you and questioned why you would do such an action when I told you not to. Then I asked you if Sasaki was going to be attacked, because if so, I would attack CR. You said no. So YOU KNEW I wasn't going to attack CR. Please, do show some of my replies to it, like I requested last time.

The second PM may be construed as you warning me not risk my life (and not "kill myself" as you wrongly and slimily worded earlier which I refuted), if one is not aware of the context that at that point, you were not even sure I was a townie.

Obviously, as that accusation of yours was absolutely without merit, while this one can have some weakly linked PMs for support, you didn't bother pressing the issue when I called you out on it there.

Of course, you haven't post those PMs, because you are no paragon of truth yourself. Rather than face up and actually you know, lynch CR, you will try to pass it off as "Reenk had his chance" .

Not true in the slightest.

How so? Maximum evil is a fake quote, as I had earlier pointed out. The fragment "evil to the max" by virtue of its diction and syntax bears a quite different meaning and implication.

As for shlin NOT being one of my lower suspected ones, how do you explain that I never bothered to vote for shlin, even when I thought he was guilty? Why would I rather vote for Ironside or Lord Winter? Perhaps because they were more high on the suspect list?

Unless of course you believe I choose not to vote for my highest suspects.

Now, to further this point, I would like you to stop selectively quoting PMs and post the one where I gave percentages on say shlin vis a vis Lord Winter. Then I would like you to list the suspects I gave you along with shlin. Lord Winter was clearly first. The only one I can think of lower than shlin was noble Beefy himself.

It is you, who once again put out falsity. Not to mention you suspected shlin just as well and may have set him up to be killed (still haven't answered that).

These are your words exactly, your suspicion of shlin being low, that's a... what do you call them... a lie.

This is pointless Reenk. Would you please stop undermining me, when you aren't recalling the events correctly.

Of course it is not. As someone who has killed innocents before, probably just killed two more (and even if they were communists, it is clear that the Mafia are not very friendly with the communists and the townie goal is to eliminate Mafia but not communists...), there is a clear point to show that you simply aren't good for the town at this point, that they need to reevaluate things and have you stop killing without their permission.

Call the beretta mafia and tell them to play their tiniest violin, because no townie has been 100% correct on their suspects. Pardon me for trying.

True, but then not many townies actively go and kill non-Mafia's nor do they (inexplicably) hold so much influence at this point.

The entire point of trying to undermine you is to show the town that you are leading them astray to bad lynches and bad actions so that they may lynch CR who is Mafia. If you had stuck with the lynch of CR or not set the lynch for Beefy when I appealed to you in private, do you think I would undermine you here?

That's constructive of you to say.

Of course it is. It exposes some things you are doing that are not in the best interest of the town.

qed

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're right Reenk.

Players I've been wrong about:

Factionheir, because he clearly wasn't a made gangster.
CountArach, because he clearly wasn't a communist.
Discovery1, because he clearly wasn't a Luca.
I should never have voted for Atheotes, because he was innocent, not a Don.
I should never have tried to get a tied vote on Kagemusha and AVSM, because they were both innocent, not affiliated gangsters.
I shouldn't have asked for a vig on Khazaar, because he clearly wasn't an affiliated wiseguy.
I was clearly wrong about Rhyfelwyr being a communist.
I shouldn't have ordered the vig on Disgruntledgoat, because he clearly wasn't a Don.
I feel awful about voting to lynch Lord Winter. He was a bastion of innocence.
I feel terrible about ordering a vigilante kill against your suspect, Crazed Rabbit, who is a wiseguy with at least one kill. But of course, Sasaki just HAD TO GO before your other top suspect. Inexplicably. And how did that turn out?
I feel terrible about Pannonian, who had gone what, 8 rounds without posting or voting and still hadn't gotten wogged.

I also feel quite silly for organizing groups which have protected people during about half of the nights of the game, which have kept obviously scummy people alive.

I am a bad, bad townie. Clearly leading the town to ruin.

[Reenk Roink]

You're right Reenk.

Players I've been wrong about:

Factionheir, because he clearly wasn't a made gangster.
CountArach, because he clearly wasn't a communist.
Discovery1, because he clearly wasn't a Luca.
I should never have voted for Atheotes, because he was innocent, not a Don.
I should never have tried to get a tied vote on Kagemusha and AVSM, because they were both innocent, not affiliated gangsters.
I shouldn't have asked for a vig on Khazaar, because he clearly wasn't an affiliated wiseguy.
I was clearly wrong about Rhyfelwyr being a communist.
I shouldn't have ordered the vig on Disgruntledgoat, because he clearly wasn't a Don.
I feel awful about voting to lynch Lord Winter. He was a bastion of innocence.
I feel terrible about ordering a vigilante kill against your suspect, Crazed Rabbit, who is a wiseguy with at least one kill. But of course, Sasaki just HAD TO GO before your other top suspect. Inexplicably. And how did that turn out?
I feel terrible about Pannonian, who had gone what, 8 rounds without posting or voting and still hadn't gotten wogged.

I also feel quite silly for organizing groups which have protected people during about half of the nights of the game, which have kept obviously scummy people alive.

I am a bad, bad townie. Clearly leading the town to ruin.

Rather then try to respond to my points you are just going to move on. Good, you had a weak case to begin with.

First communists aren't bad for me. (Rhy hasn't been confirmed either way). Considering the Mafia reaction to them, they aren't GOOD for Mafia... No points here for you.

Many townies have voting/vig records similar if not better than that. Should they be given the green light to have whoever they want lynched (and like it or not (I don't) you do)? Should they be given the green light to go and kill people? What makes you so special man?

@ trying to again pin the CR thing on me. Maybe if you weren't so narcissistic about you being so critical to the town (I recall your words early in the game) and didn't have the doctor protecting you but rather someone else that needed people to protect, you could have gotten the replacement. By the way, it's not great organization to enlist a player who stated he was sick and wouldn't have time for night actions.

When the post mortems come, your BAD record will be shown. Not many townies can say they jumpstarted a bandwagon on a townie. Or killed innocents directly. Or saved a Mafia from lynches two times.

Also, don't lie about being a townie. You are a Gman.

Just look at the times I've come at you hard Atpg. First after the Yaropolk debacle. You were killing without authorization and went ahead and killed a townie working with a Mafia. And now recently, after you've ignored my repeated plea's to have CR lynched and my plea to have Beefy saved and you started up killing again whoever has a questionable result. Did I bother to undermine you when you weren't killing, even if I always didn't agree with your moves? No. We had a good relationship then, as I thought you were working best for the town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch Vote:

El Diablo: 5 (woad&fangs, Shinseikhaan, YLC, Splitpersonality, Xehh II)
Woad&fangs: 2 (Askthepizzaguy, Chaotix)
Xehh II: 2 (Sasaki Kojiro, Crazed Rabbit)
Crazed Rabbit: 1 (Tratorix)

Abstain: Slashandburn

Director Selection:

Shinseikhaan: 5 (Askthepizzaguy, White_Eyes:D, Shinseikhaan, slashandburn, Double A)
ATPG: 1 (Woad&fangs)
YLC: 1 (YLC)
Split: 1 (Splitpersonality)

Tally recheck please.

[Reenk Roink]

OK I give up...

My last short case on CR is: Now that Lord Winter has been post mortemly been identified as Mafia, please consider that the way I revealed both LW and CR guilt was as tied together. If he does not die, the balance will be tipped in favor of the Mafia I think...

My old Mafia buddy you are the most elusive of them all...

[a completely inoffensive name]

Vote: Joe Monks for having a cool name.

Select: ACIN running on my same campaign message of "I have not told anyone how to vote and no one has said not to vote for me."

[Joooray]

Okay, if it makes Reenk happy than Vote : Crazed Rabbit.

Even if it only stops the stupid argument between him an Atpg. Also the other cases are not entirely convincing to me.

Also Select : 'khaan. Let's see if we have another instrument for outing mafia there.

[KukriKhan]

Sure an awful lot of time and energy trying to convince us that atpg is not infallible. Has anyone ever thought that?

vote: Woad&fangs

select: Shinseikhaan

[ULC]

*arrogant whining*

This, from the man who clearly stated he was disappointed because he could not be a mafioso, and one who cheers them on behind everyone's backs. Your not helpful, your not truly productive, and your only being antagonistic and behaving just like a dead mafioso - you prefer to attack and be destructive then to cooperate and be constructive.

[Reenk Roink]

Sure an awful lot of time and energy trying to convince us that atpg is not only justinfallible but is now leading people in the wrong direction by not lynching CR

I added in bold what I'm really doing Kukri.

This, from the man who clearly stated he was disappointed because he could not be a mafioso, and one who cheers them on behind everyone's backs.

Not this shtick again from you...

All of this is true, and so? Does it make anything against Atpg less so? Or anything for CR less so?

Your not helpful, your not truly productive, and your only being antagonistic and behaving just like a dead mafioso - you prefer to attack and be destructive then to cooperate and be constructive.

And what have you done? All I can remember is you calling me a Communist Don and a lot of other nonsense about balloons. All my attacks are for a singular purpose, lynch CR. If you don't want to lynch him fine, I never expected your support anyway (you only listen to that one man on high as you said). Others might be convinced.

I mean look at this. You speak about antagonism and being destructive, while purporting cooperation. But you wont cooperate with just about anyone else but Atpg it seems like, while you've been trying to run a destructive smear campaign on someone post mortemly confirmed as a townie.

[ULC]

Thats because people won't contact me. Unlike others, I've preferred to keep myself out of the loop and then help as I see fit. I've worked with ATPG mostly because I wished to be informed, and so I have - I can then make my own guess as to what I should do.

And I run this smear campaign to get weird answers from you - your fun to screw around with once your dead. It's me having fun, and obviously, the town hasn't listened to you from the start, so what I am doing has no bearing at all as to whether others listen to you - another reason I chose you.

Another reason is because you have only attempted to tear down what ATPG has constructed, and will only leave a vacuum in it's place without a better alternative. Thus, I smear you, because your ideas are terrible, if you happen to present them to us wee folk, and favor a system which has gotten things done instead.

And being confirmed townie means nothing by post mortem - I am sure that when I die, I'll be reviewed as a townie as well . You being a townie means nothing - at the start of the game, you pick yourside and root for it and undermine the efforts of the side your not in favor of, regardless of what your role is.

[Reenk Roink]

Another reason is because you have only attempted to tear down what ATPG has constructed, and will only leave a vacuum in it's place without a better alternative. Thus, I smear you, because your ideas are terrible, if you happen to present them to us wee folk, and favor a system which has gotten things done instead.

Not true at all, I basically just broke off my contact with Atpg after he went after Beefy and killed Ichigo. It was becoming clear from before by other people that he was getting a sense that the Mafia were too weak and he could go back to killing his communist enemies.

I also just got tired of Atpg's false claims that I somehow was to blame for the failed vig hit on CR and that he somehow was the benevolent one trying to save me from killing myself. If you look closely, it is Atpg who makes the first accusations, I just respond to them because they are false.

As for "only" attempting to tear down Atpg, this is demonstratively false by my cases against Ironside, Lord Winter, and especially Crazed Rabbit who has been the target of about a third of my posts in this game. Even now, despite my high levels of disillusionment with Atpg and the people that follow him blindly, it's not as if I'm saying lynch Atpg. No he is a CIA agent, not Mafia. Atpg is just the main obstacle in the way of getting CR lynched because around 6-8 people will vote based on his word and with many people not voting, that constitutes a majority.

Again, you might want to read the thread more carefully to see what I do rather than read what you want to in it (which is what I believe you have done to come to these incorrect conclusions).

And being confirmed townie means nothing by post mortem - I am sure that when I die, I'll be reviewed as a townie as well . You being a townie means nothing - at the start of the game, you pick yourside and root for it and undermine the efforts of the side your not in favor of, regardless of what your role is.

You have to play your role. I can wish that I was Mafia all I want, but I was a townie who never even started to change over. Thus I went and ratted out Mafia I had been in contact with, despite feeling bad to do it. I certainly favor the Mafia group to the town group personally, I'd much rather work with them than you, just fate dealt me the townie role.

[ULC]

For the Lulz

Unvote: ED, Vote: W&F

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch Vote:

El Diablo: 4 (woad&fangs, Shinseikhaan, Splitpersonality, Xehh II)
Woad&fangs: 4 (Askthepizzaguy, Chaotix, Kukrikhan, YLC)
Xehh II: 2 (Sasaki Kojiro, Crazed Rabbit)
Crazed Rabbit: 2 (Tratorix, Joooray)
Joe Monks: 1 (ACIN)

Abstain: Slashandburn

Director Selection:

Shinseikhaan: 7 (Askthepizzaguy, White_Eyes:D, Shinseikhaan, slashandburn, Double A, Joooray, Kukrikhan)
ATPG: 1 (Woad&fangs)
YLC: 1 (YLC)
Split: 1 (Splitpersonality)
ACIN: 1 (ACIN)

Let's keep that vote tied, shall we? Please and thank you.

[Crazed Rabbit]

So you're keeping the vote tied between the guy you wanted dead and the guy you sent to kill him? Why is Xehh II not being considered?

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

So you're keeping the vote tied between the guy you wanted dead and the guy you sent to kill him? Why is Xehh II not being considered?

CR

He's being considered but I can't do a triple lynch. Xehh was also sent, but he had an unclear result. One is more likely to be guilty than the other, is all.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote: Xehh II, vote:El Diablo

For the tie.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

just kidding pizza. Not feeling W&F's guilt.

[Askthepizzaguy]

How suspicious.

[TinCow]

Apologies for my absense, as I noted earlier I am currently out of the country. The last two hotels I stayed in did not have internet access so I've been offline for several days. While my current place does now have net access, I still remain short on time. It would be helpful for me if someone could give a very brief summary of who's currently up for the lynch and why. I will try and start reading what I've missed over the past week or so, but I don't know if I'll get through it all. Until then, as a courtesy to Seamus:

Vote: Abstain

[Sasaki Kojiro]

How suspicious.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

So what if you're wrong
Then after you're gone
You realize right here is where you belong
And though in your mind you think that I'm not the right one
But what if you're wrong?

And though in your mind you think that I'm not the right one
But what if you're wrong?

-- Cunningham & Davis "What if you're wrong"



Evening Session, Day Thirteen


"El Diablo," said Director slashandburn, "This committee adjudges you guilty of crimes against Fatlington and hereby orders your death."

El Diabolo, strangely quiet, walked up and took the proferred business card. He made his way out of the room, escorted by two of the Director's guard. The walk over to Club30 in Bayside took a while, but El Diablo said nothing, walking quietly with his head down.

On reaching the club, the guards brought El Diablo to the long mahogany bar and had him sit at one of the stools. The bartender brought him a 'Reenkster' (the exact recipe for which was patented) and set it before him. He drank. Director slashandburn had added a little something to the drink.

The flavor was simply marvelous and the glow it induced pleasant. There was an odd aftertaste though. El Diablo slumped gently over, resting his head on the bar. Then it was over.

As El D walked to Club30, the committee quickly selected Shinseikhaan as the new Director. He wished them a good evening, and gaveled things to a close. The night was still young.



OOC

Night orders for n13 are due no later than 1200 Eastern on the 17th (Thursday). That's 1600 GMT.



Tallies


Director

Shinseikhaan = 7 (askthepizzaguy, Double A, Joooray, Kukrikhan, Shinseikhaan, slashandburn, White_eyes:D)

askthepizzaguy = 1 (woad&fangs)

auto-selects = (a completely inoffensive name, spL1tp3r50nal1Ty, YLC)


Lynch

1st El Diablo = 6 (Sasaki Kojiro, Shinseikhaan, spL1tp3r50nal1Ty, White_eyes:D, woad&fangs, Xehh II)

2nd woad&fangs = 4 (askthepizzaguy, Chaotix, Kukrikhan, YLC)

3rd Crazed Rabbit = 2 (Tratorix, Joooray)

4th/5th Joe Monks = 1 (a completely inoffensive name)

4th/5th Xehh II = 1 (Crazed Rabbit)

[TinCow]

Just finished reading, surprised there were only a couple hundred posts to catch up on. Seems I'm a bit too late to change my vote, but it doesn't look like I would have made a difference anyway. My comments based on reading the last few days posts...

El Diablo could be mafia, but I wouldn't have voted for him. If he's been offline for that lone, the guy's inactive even if he is mafia. I honestly can't see someone going through the trouble to send in orders every night via email and completely refraining from even logging onto the forums just to get an advantage in the game. It's not necessary, plus it's a bit lame. If El Diablo was a mafioso, he was an inactive mafioso.

woad&fangs appears to be a decent lynch option for failing to send in orders last night with no reason. Since he's admitted it was him, that would appear to clear Xehh and 'khaan of skipping out on that kill. w&f would have been my vote if I'd finished reading on time.

Crazed Rabbit appears to be a wiseguy who was being courted by a mafia family. He is thus a priority for the lynch, though the level of priority depends on whether his actions can be accounted for for the last several nights. Can they?