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    Gauls have some units that scare the enemy, yet the rest of their army does not really give me the creeps they seem to be somewhat the "good guys".
    Lusotani ambush all the time which can make it pretty scary to pass through their territory but once you fight them they are not particularity scary in a proper barbarian manner as they either look like boy scouts or far too civilized.

    Casse units on the other hand often have woad all over them thus seem a bit crazy and scary in a barbaric manner they may not have woad painted Naked dudes but afaik a lot of units that wear a shirt in gaul don't in britain mainly to show their body art. plus the presence of more chariots as chariots are scary whereas not in a barbaric manner ;) last but not least the casse have their Champions who have a sort of "scary" and "terrifying" overtone. on the other hand I always associate Casse with a lot of water and mountains which somewhat takes their "fierceness" away for me :(

    Getai have the best roster of all "barbarians" that said I'd like to add that they don't have factional fear units(or do they?) which somewhat a blow. Imho they are a bit to civilised to get the "fiercest barbarians" eg. horse archers are effective and not fierce in a barbarian sort of way. they lack this crazy look in the eyes with the exception of the drapanai, <- they are fierce! when I was a soldier I would rather run away from a wild dude with a falx than a naked Frenchmen, provided off course I wear trousers and a good belt and as general they are equally scary as you know if they get to your troops they will cut them to little bits :(. another thing that makes then seem to be the second most "fierce Barbarian" is their location in a pretty dark area (in the opinion of the Coast dwelling "civilized" factions) they have their own territory behind which the total wilderness begins where the tribes are free and wild ...same also goes for the sweboz tho more extreme. which leads us to my personal "fiercest barbarians"

    the sweboz: they dwell in the dark and dense woods and marches of Germania. It is not safe for a roman or Greek too travel these dark lands full of swamps, cold wind, wood demons and angry barbarians who come out of nowhere. they are without doubt the most "barbaric" "barbarian" faction after all. they are one of the few peoples who make massive use of clubs(now that's barbaric) even their levy troops are scary to a(very) small degree, Chatti youths storm viciously at thier foe with the unshaved beard obscuring their faces. their Generals fight on foot together with the other warriors they don't need horses as they don't intend to flee. the moral of the most units is better than that of the Celts which implies a certain braveness of barbarians. for truely scary units they have their (crappy) naked spearman which because of his dark body art looks much more terrifying than his celtic colegues the wargozez has to be considered somewhat a factional mercenary still i think they can go into this. in contrast to the naked fear people these guys have AP axes which is especially effective against southern invaders. as an extra one could count Basternoz falxmen and Lugian swordsmen who are armed with "scary" and"fierce" weapons as mentioned above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Putt View Post
    they are one of the few peoples who make massive use of clubs(now that's barbaric)
    Clubs and bone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Putt View Post
    Getai have the best roster of all "barbarians" that said I'd like to add that they don't have factional fear units(or do they?) which somewhat a blow.
    They don't have any factional fear units, which I think is silly as Drapanai are certainly scary in my opinion. Their unit description even talks about how they think they are immortal and how "these warriors did not fear death, because death was the gateway to their prophet-god Zalmoxis." However, since the EB team did not find a historical precedent of these men striking fear into their eyes through reputation alone; I certainly respect the decision not to make them a scary unit.

    The Getai can recruit Uirodusios (the scary naked Celtic spearmen) regionally but so can pretty much any other "barbarian" nation as well as some of the more "civilized" ones.
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    yup I agree and I also said they are fierce and a bit crazy but I don't think they would really need that attribute as this would make them more expensive and after all if the get the scare ability TABs Cataphracts, spartans pretorians etc. should get it aswell and well, I'd protest aginst that :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Putt View Post
    yup I agree and I also said they are fierce and a bit crazy but I don't think they would really need that attribute as this would make them more expensive and after all if the get the scare ability TABs Cataphracts, spartans pretorians etc. should get it aswell and well, I'd protest aginst that :D
    I can agree with that. We shouldn't start handing out scare bonuses to any unit that fights with a great deal of discipline. In that case any and ever elite would have them plus all professional phalanxes and legionnaires (really almost any professional unit if you think about it), which would be ridiculous. And if we're not going to give scare bonuses to disciplined units, we shouldn't give them to units that simply fight with religious zeal. Good point.
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    I'm gonna vote for Getai for two simple facts that my army will take quite high casualties fighting them and they can hold on to their provinces quite a while even if they are fighting two wars or more against Maks, Epeiros and Sauros in actual campaign.

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    That's me as Rome. That's also Getai fighting 3 factions with Makedonia later joined as the fourth. I actually considered expanding east but I had looked carefully and I rejected the idea at least until Marian reform. (well technically I'm already in the east but in Egypt front fighting evil Selukids...)


    Edit - Seeing as Sweboz is winning the contest, I just have to clarify that this is from Roman, Carthaginian and Greek perspectives. My army consists of one or two crappy cavalry, light and heavy infantries in 2 to 1 ratio. As Helennes, long pike phalanxes take the role of heavy infantry and better cavalry takes the role of the former's crappy cavalry. AI Sweboz stands no chance.
    Last edited by Weebeast; 09-18-2009 at 23:30.

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    Yep, I remember it was hell on earth to take out the Getai as Epeiros. My units suffered extremely high casualties, especially the Pezhetairoi phalanxes, but my light infantry (Peltastai) suffered by far the worst depredations ever. I had to replace them constantly.
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    Default Re: Fiercest Barbarians

    Quote Originally Posted by A Terribly Harmful Name View Post
    Yep, I remember it was hell on earth to take out the Getai as Epeiros. My units suffered extremely high casualties, especially the Pezhetairoi phalanxes, but my light infantry (Peltastai) suffered by far the worst depredations ever. I had to replace them constantly.
    Peltastai is meant to screen your main army.... no wonder if they die more quickly........

    But for my experience, to take the Getai out of their place, all you need to have is just more sphendonetai, and all will be ok...

    My Typical Hellenic Army on campaign in Getai:
    1x Somatophylakes Strategou (All version, including KH's foot FM)
    2x Hippakontistai, or better still, Sauro HA
    6-7x Hoplitai Haploi, Peltastai, Phalangitai Deuteroi, or Hoplitai
    5-6x Sphendonetai
    If have some spare.... Any good cav, usually Plain Hippeis, Lonchoporoi Hippeis, or even Hetairoi as Maks

    EDIT: Although they are still better than didn't have any missile units at best.... I didn't usually take on plain toxotai, because they tend to waste their arrows rather quickly..... but Kretikoi ones are the best when it comes to them.... take them if u can and have the time to Import them
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