Genocide/Expulsion

[Cambyses]

Mass enslavement was effecively genocide in the ancient world IMO. It would have completely destroyed the people as a cultural force and one or two generations later any memories would have effectively been extinguished completely. That is with families split up and sent all over Europe, more basic slaves having no education / contact with people from their own cultural background. Would they have even spoke their parents' language?

My memory is a little rusty. Didnt Marius effectively commit genocide against the Cimbri and Teutones? I appreciate these were somewhat different circumstances...

[Phalanx300]

Mass enslavement was effecively genocide in the ancient world IMO. It would have completely destroyed the people as a cultural force and one or two generations later any memories would have effectively been extinguished completely. That is with families split up and sent all over Europe, more basic slaves having no education / contact with people from their own cultural background. Would they have even spoke their parents' language?

My memory is a little rusty. Didnt Marius effectively commit genocide against the Cimbri and Teutones? I appreciate these were somewhat different circumstances...

Not in all cases, the Messenian Helots kept feeling Messenian the entire time they were enslaved and eventually became free Messenians again when the Thebans defeated the Spartans.

I think he killed many of them and enslaved the rest (those who didn't kill themselves like the Cimbri mothers killing themselves and their children).

[Azathoth]

Not in all cases, the Messenian Helots kept feeling Messenian the entire time they were enslaved and eventually became free Messenians again when the Thebans defeated the Spartans.

Well, like Cambyses said, slaves that were scattered throughout the conquerors' empire would lose their cultural identity, but the Messenian helots lived together in family units on pretty much the same land for centuries.

[Phalanx300]

Well, like Cambyses said, slaves that were scattered throughout the conquerors' empire would lose their cultural identity, but the Messenian helots lived together in family units on pretty much the same land for centuries.

Exactly, Spartans allowing this was just part of their ways but it gave them more problems I gues. Then again with the Laconian Helots with the same rules there were no problems.