Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Explain the n10 gap in the beretta kills while Haudegen was busy.



PS- Seamus confirmed Joe Monks was an innocent townie with a good rep upon his death.

What are you talking about, Sigurd?

Double A and SSNEO are a doctor and a surgeon? How can Khaan be "our Don"???


Why would Shinseikhaan kill on night one if he was a Don? He would get caught that way.

[Beskar]

Shinseikhaan was a funny one, ever since the time he sent messages through a 3rd party with a lucas role pm, and he tried to pass it off as "It wasn't me, i don't know what you are on about!" when it was obvious from the PM's, he was trying to get me to reveal I was a wise-guy then attempt to recruit me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well?

Imperator Invictus dies early, one family doesn't kill until night eight.
Imperator Invictus visits Haudegen's page.
Beretta equals Solo Don. Beretta is the family with the missing made (IMPERATOR's family)
Khaan killed on night one. Gets him caught early. Goes after all the protections and doctors. kills fail. Admits later on he was trying to go mafia.
Haudegen busy night 10. No Beretta.
All other nights Haudegen was available, beretta.
Woad and possibly Crazed lose their Don, both become part of the last remaining Don's family.
They die, the Beretta killings resume.



Disprove.

[Sigurd]

Explain the n10 gap in the beretta kills while Haudegen was busy.

PS- Seamus confirmed Joe Monks was an innocent townie with a good rep upon his death.

What are you talking about, Sigurd?

Double A and SSNEO are a doctor and a surgeon? How can Khaan be "our Don"???

Well I have said it before - and you also provided that answer to me about the beretta killer not doing anything while Shinseikhaan was director - They planned for it. A patsy needs incriminating evidence. Funny that all these just popped up in this round.
There is no-where stated that Doctors can't be working with Mafia... I am confident that the autopsy on Sasaki will prove just this.
How can he have claimed a successful protection with two Dons - if he himself is not a doctor? I am willing to bet a few amount of dollars that Sasaki will be revealed either as a Wolf with protection abilities or - a Made doctor.

Joe Monks has yet to state that he didn't send in orders that night. Until he does, you can't use that as evidence. You also claim TinCow never read that order PM - yet a unconfirmed claim - I haven't seen TinCow state - yes that is right. He does infact want Shinseikhaan lynched as all sensible townies would - if not just to prove that you will not make sure Shinseikhaan survives yet another round.

Lynch Shinseikhaan first and then Haudegen and I will believe you are the pro-town you claim.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My vote won't change until you explain the above facts in post 3423

Better yet, maybe Haudegen can stop lurking and actually defend himself.

[TinCow]

Sigurd, I will admit that ATPG does make a strong argument against Haudegen. My knee-jerk vote for 'khaan was based on a supreme paranoia that ATPG/'khaan were working together and that they had recruited the entire vig team into their, which would have essentially made this lynch the last chance the town had to win before we were overwhelmed by sheer numbers. However, as I noted above, review of the write-ups shows that ATPGs kills have no mafia family calling card on them at all: he's the umbrella killer and that signature is not remotely similar to any of the mafia families it definitely mean's he's not the remaining violin family killer. Thus, ATPG is almost certainly not in the remaining mafia family.

That doesn't mean ATPG isn't allied with the remaining family in some other manner, but it does cast just enough doubt on the situation to make ATPG's arguments worth listening to... and as I said, he makes some good points about Haudegen.

[Sigurd]

Well?

Imperator Invictus dies early, one family doesn't kill until night eight.

unconfirmed allegations - He was mafia - that is all you can claim.

Imperator Invictus visits Haudegen's page.

Doesn't prove a thing - you could have asked him to - ya know to "Create" evidence.

Beretta equals Solo Don. Beretta is the family with the missing made (IMPERATOR's family)

Isn't proven - we had killed 9 Mafioso including DJGinvitis before night 9.

Khaan killed on night one. Gets him caught early. Goes after all the protections and doctors. kills fail. Admits later on he was trying to go mafia.

Caught early? - the first investigation on him was night 8

Haudegen busy night 10. No Beretta.

playing him for patsy

All other nights Haudegen was available, beretta.

See over

Woad and possibly Crazed lose their Don, both become part of the last remaining Don's family.
They die, the Beretta killings resume.

Creative Allegations.


Why the importance of lynching Haudegen now? Why should it matter if all of you are pro-town.
However if you are not and Khaan is your Don - then I can see why it is important.

I cry foul when I feel it in my bones. I draw on my experience in this.

[TinCow]

Joe Monks has yet to state that he didn't send in orders that night. Until he does, you can't use that as evidence. You also claim TinCow never read that order PM - yet a unconfirmed claim - I haven't seen TinCow state - yes that is right.

What ATPG claims there is true. I completely missed N11 and N12 because I ended up in two consecutive hotels without any internet access. I had about 20 PMs waiting in my box when I next logged on, including multiple orders for night actions that I never submitted because I wasn't able to get online. That's why I ended up submitted that really old list of your detective results: they came from the very first PM in my list, which was sent to me by Beefy just before he died. It was so old because I wasn't online to post it until about a week after I received it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

White_eyes had a one-shot investigation as a townie which was on Crazed Rabbit I believe. That was the day that CR got a false criminal result.

Both WE and Sigurd got the same result.

WhiteEyes is likely an incorruptible townie.

unconfirmed allegations - He was mafia - that is all you can claim.

He was proven to be a made.

Doesn't prove a thing - you could have asked him to - ya know to "Create" evidence.

Isn't proven - we had killed 9 Mafioso including DJGinvitis before night 9.

Your point? Most of those were in one family. Atheotes' family. And DJGingivitis doesnt count either because.... he's obviously not the beretta Don.

Caught early - the first investigation on him was night 8

What if he had been investigated sooner, and he turned up innocent? That's a risky, stupid, pointless, foolish move for a Don.

playing him for patsy

unconfirmed allegations.

Why the importance of lynching Haudegen now? Why should it matter if all of you are pro-town.

TO STOP THE BERETTA DON AND END THE GAME.

Why the importance of lynching Khaan now? Why should it matter if you're pro-town?

[TinCow]

Why the importance of lynching Haudegen now? Why should it matter if all of you are pro-town.
However if you are not and Khaan is your Don - then I can see why it is important.

This is a very good strategic point. If 'khaan is the Don, there is a significant chance that ATPG and/or the vig team is working with him. Thus, if 'khaan is not killed here, the town has a huge problem. On the other hand, if Haudegen is the Don, he has no allies left alive and it is of no real threat to the town victory to let him survive for one more round.

As there are good arguments on both sides, I'll go with the safe route, even if it makes the game drag on a little bit longer. My vote stays on 'khaan.

[Sigurd]

Lynching Khaan before Haudegen is important to me and all the pro-townies - because that would testify that you ATPG , WE:D, Joooray, Double A and SSNeo will not take control in the next round and win as Mafia.
If you are all pro-town, then it wouldn't matter because you outnumber Haudegen. If Haudegen was your Don - then Shinseikhaan would have died last night and you would have voted YLC or something for killing the NSC officer in town. Sadly your plot didn't work as he died trying.

Funny that it is now WE:D that did that investigation, You have always claimed earlier that it was ACIN that investigated CR. Caught in a lie?

[Askthepizzaguy]

On the other hand, if Haudegen is the Don, he has no allies left alive

Why?

What about Khaan? He clearly isn't a townie, he wants to lynch me instead of the suspected Don. And I cannot confirm that there isn't another ally for Haudegen in the ranks, say, in Twilightblade, a wiseguy whose whereabouts are unaccounted for, who may wish to go mafia right at the end.

If you can double lynch them, fine. But if Khaan dies by last minute vote change and Haudegen survives, we could lose a doctor, because the serial killing Don has made enough kills to probably do this. That's confirmed pro-townies dead.

And if Khaan and Haudegen both survive due to a reprieve from the director...

Lynching Khaan before Haudegen is important to me and all the pro-townies - because that would testify that you ATPG , WE:D, Joooray, Double A and SSNeo will not take control in the next round and win as Mafia.

Double A and SSNeo are proven Doctor and Surgeon, WhiteEyes was incorruptible, Tratorix vouched for him, and Tratorix died by the beretta killing! I was your partner and proven not mafia or even mafia affiliated!

HOW can Doctors "take control" and "win as mafia?"

You have always claimed earlier that it was ACIN that investigated CR

That was ACIN on Haudegen. double check.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sadly your plot didn't work as he died trying.

MY PLOT???


You knew YLC's triggers and you INTENTIONALLY TRIGGERED THEM!!!

Stop blaming me for your actions.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Chill.

[Askthepizzaguy]

For someone who seems to be trying to catch me in lies, you sure are weaving a lot of strange stories Sigurd.

You know darn well whose fault your death was. And why are you accusing the town doctors of conspiring with the mafia?

[Beskar]

Can we get a double lynch on them both?

[pevergreen]

[TinCow]

What about Khaan? He clearly isn't a townie, he wants to lynch me instead of the suspected Don. And I cannot confirm that there isn't another ally for Haudegen in the ranks, say, in Twilightblade, a wiseguy whose whereabouts are unaccounted for, who may wish to go mafia right at the end.

My point is that, from my perspective, if 'khaan is the Don, his allies potentially include you and the entire vig team for a total of 6 people. There are only 12 people left in the game. Thus, if that scenario is true and we don't lynch 'khaan here, the town might lose right now.

If Haudegen is the Don, you and the vig team are definitely not his allies because you tried to kill him and have been pushing for his lynch. Thus, at worst, Haudegen has one ally left alive at most (if it was more than one, we would have seen other killers active). 2 vs 10 is not a serious threat to the town.

But if Khaan dies by last minute vote change and Haudegen survives, we could lose a doctor, because the serial killing Don has made enough kills to probably do this. That's confirmed pro-townies dead.

Please explain how a doctor can die.

[Sigurd]

Why?

What about Khaan? He clearly isn't a townie, he wants to lynch me instead of the suspected Don. And I cannot confirm that there isn't another ally for Haudegen in the ranks, say, in Twilightblade, a wiseguy whose whereabouts are unaccounted for, who may wish to go mafia right at the end.

Of course 'khaan is not a townie - that is what I have claimed all along. Last night Khaan was priority over Haudegen - yet when the lynch is imminent this is now turned 180 degrees. WHY??
He has one vote on you - to maybe, just maybe create a little distance to you. We see clearly through that charade. We aren't fooled that easy.

If you can double lynch them, fine. But if Khaan dies by last minute vote change and Haudegen survives, we could lose a doctor, because the serial killing Don has made enough kills to probably do this. That's confirmed pro-townies dead.

Does it matter? You have the numbers even if Caius, Twilightblade and Haudegen are the last family. I doubt it though.

And if Khaan and Haudegen both survive due to a reprieve from the director...

Read Seamus' results again - it clearly states that he will oversee the lynching this night as there is no Director - because he is umm.. Dead!

Double A and SSNeo are proven Doctor and Surgeon, WhiteEyes was incorruptible, Tratorix vouched for him, and Tratorix died by the beretta killing! I was your partner and proven not mafia or even mafia affiliated!

So you say - I have yet to see evidence of any such claims.

HOW can Doctors "take control" and "win as mafia?"

I have answered this already - are you trying to pull an argumentum ad nauseamon me? check the Sasaki is doctor reply.
This is Capo de Tutti Capi - who knows what the game mechanics are?

That was ACIN on Haudegen. double check.

Good to see that you are not making stuff up as you go.

[Louis VI the Fat]

<< as a courteous reminder, I have taken over Proletariat's role on N16 >>

Haudegen: 5 (Askthepizzaguy, slashandburn, White Eyes, Louis the Fat(*), Jooray)
Shinseikhaan: 3 (Double A, Tincow, Haudegen)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Khaan)

(*) As far as I can see Louis didn´t unvote before he switched his vote to khaan. I think technically his vote on me is still valid.

More pesky game rules for novice players to content with, I see! Fine:

Unvote
Unselect

Vote: 'khaan
Select: Slashandburn


I'll stick with my previous vote and selction. Get's us a double lynch. Tally:

Haudegen: 4 (Askthepizzaguy, slashandburn, White Eyes, Jooray)
Shinseikhaan: 4 (Double A, Tincow, Haudegen, Louis)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Khaan)

[seireikhaan]

The Wolf should keep its mouth shut.

edit: My post count makes me sad right now

[seireikhaan]

Does it matter? You have the numbers even if Caius, Twilightblade and Haudegen are the last family. I doubt it though.

Oops?

[TinCow]

So you say - I have yet to see evidence of any such claims.

Regarding ATPG's claims of being found to be not mafia, I do have a bit to contribute there. johnhughthom (the local FBI agent) investigated him on Night 3, but didn't get the results until later due to the FBI time-delay on results. This is what he sent me when he got them:

askthepizzaguy is guilty, but does not seem to have any mafia ties.

The result we were expecting.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My point is that, from my perspective, if 'khaan is the Don, his allies potentially include you and the entire vig team for a total of 6 people.

the entire vig team is comprised of two whole people now. White Eyes and Joooray. One of which was confirmed incorruptible by the mafia-murdered protown vigilante Tratorix who got killed by the mafia. Gibsons and Kukri met their end by YLC and Beretta as well. One of those, Sigurd had a hand in, because of his heretical post.

There are only 12 people left in the game. Thus, if that scenario is true and we don't lynch 'khaan here, the town might lose right now.

This is an appeal to fear, not a rational evaluation of the facts.

If Haudegen is the Don, you and the vig team are definitely not his allies because you tried to kill him and have been pushing for his lynch. Thus, at worst, Haudegen has one ally left alive at most (if it was more than one, we would have seen other killers active). 2 vs 10 is not a serious threat to the town.

That assumes we can trust TB, and it also makes the assumption that you actually became a doctor.

Please explain how a doctor can die.

In previous Capo games, serial killing Dons became powerful enough to kill through protection.


Also, Sigurd, I believe you are a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[johnhughthom]

That was a one off, "totally accurate" investigation btw.

[Sigurd]

Regarding ATPG's claims of being found to be not mafia, I do have a bit to contribute there. johnhughthom (the local FBI agent) investigated him on Night 3, but didn't get the results until later due to the FBI time-delay on results. This is what he sent me when he got them:

That was on night 3 - this is day 16. Much can have changed since then.

[KukriKhan]

Lynching Khaan before Haudegen is important to me and all the pro-townies - because that would testify that you ATPG , WE:D, Joooray, Double A and SSNeo will not take control in the next round and win as Mafia.

That possibility would surprise me in the extreme. I'm just a dead townie (who got promoted to wiseguy after 2 successful vig kills - then got killed himself) but if I had a vote I would

vote Haudegen

and see if the game ends. If it doesn't, there is more deceit afoot than I realized, and I would then look very deeply at atpg. I can testify that in my dealings with him n2 through n14 that he was always above-board; but we've seen that he can be a convincing and talented interrogator/liar too.

[Andres]

Something is wrong with Sigurd.

Lynch Haudegen and 'khaan, double lynch or one by one, in no particular order.

I personally think it's Haudegen, but the "safe route" would be lynching 'khaan first.

[Sigurd]

Also, Sigurd, I believe you are a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Right... didn't the FBI deep investigate me also? What was the result?

Good game ATPG. I can't seem to convince the town that Shinseikhaan should have precedence over Haudegen, which was the plan yesterday.

As long as the tally stays where it is when Seamus ends this round - I shall be content.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Right... didn't the FBI deep investigate me also? What was the result?

No, the FBI did NOT deep investigate you. YLC claims to have done so. We saw how reliable he is.

Good game ATPG. I can't seem to convince the town that Shinseikhaan should have precedence over Haudegen, which was the plan yesterday.

You could convince ME if you weren't trying to besmirch the town doctors, and myself. You can't swindle your way into the heart of the guy you're accusing.

As long as the tally stays where it is when Seamus ends this round - I shall be content.

I'm sure.

Last minute vote saves haudegen.... town loss.