Executions

[Kevin]

I've never played M2TW, but what I've seen on youtube there is finally executions on the battlemap. I was wondering if we'll see something like that except more realistic. What I mean is, will the barbarian executions, such as those of Germans, be more brutal than those of the "civilized" factions, such as the Macedonians.


Hey there's no such thing as a stupid question, right?

[A Very Super Market]

Well, your soldiers kill their soldiers on the battle map.....

If you mean the post-battle prisoner business, there's no animation. Just a button you click and squishy sounds.

[Azathoth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piek...e=channel_page

He's talking about this (watch till the end).

[DaciaJC]

Are you referring to those "finishing moves"?

[Kevin]

yea

[mountaingoat]

i don't like most of them , sure they were interesting when i first encountered them , but then you see how the whole battle almost stops for the unit so it can finish off the opponent ... i like a few of the sword ones as they are fairly quick ... do not like the spear ones and some of the 2h are just very slow.

maybe a new animation or two could be added , else do not think they would be needed for most units.

[Ludens]

I've never played M2TW, but what I've seen on youtube there is finally executions on the battlemap. I was wondering if we'll see something like that except more realistic. What I mean is, will the barbarian executions, such as those of Germans, be more brutal than those of the "civilized" factions, such as the Macedonians.

I doubt it. In battle, the idea is to kill your enemy quickly. Taking time for exaggerated executions is time you can't spend on fighting other enemies, or watching for someone sneaking up on you. In reality, soldiers wouldn't have been very concerned about finishing incapacitated foes: they would move on to the next target and leave the actual killing to supporting troops, for example the English longbowmen at the battle of Agincourt.

[antisocialmunky]

I always liked the begging for mercy sounds on the ransom/execute menu.

@Ludens. I was under the impression that the Longbowmen had to actually get into the melee at some point, not just kill the people already on the ground. There weren't all that many men-at-arms on the english side of that battle.

[Kevin]

Still, it makes the battle more "fun" than in RTW, and I choose that over historical accuracy.

[Ibrahim]

Still, it makes the battle more "fun" than in RTW, and I choose that over historical accuracy.

look, if you are going to ask for that kind of killing, you might as well go a step furthur and ask for this. its not anymore going to happen.

war is hell. its also chaos. no one in his right mind, as Ludens pointed out, is going to kill people in a Konan style move. and as EB is for realism, you ought not to ask for it.

[A Very Super Market]

Like your invincible Spartans?

[DaciaJC]

look, if you are going to ask for that kind of killing, you might as well go a step furthur and ask for this. its not anymore going to happen.

war is hell. its also chaos. no one in his right mind, as Ludens pointed out, is going to kill people in a Konan style move. and as EB is for realism, you ought not to ask for it.

Forgive him, for he knows not what he says...

[Ibrahim]

Forgive him, for he knows not what he says...

yes jesu-I mean frontline

actually, I meant it as a humorous jab at his request, not a terse reminder. why else would there be such a video included?

[Kevin]

Perhaps I misspoke. What i meant to say was that since it's already part of the game, will the EB team expand on it?

Disregard my other statements

[DaciaJC]

I doubt that they will expand on something that really doesn't have much business being in a game->mod attempting to depict history. What's more likely is the entire feature simply not being used at all for reasons explained above.

@Ibrahim: yes, I imagined that you weren't being entirely serious. I'm sure Kevin realizes it as well.

[-Praetor-]

This type of animation is particularly difficult to make, since it has to do with two different individuals inside the battle that have to move in unison and coherently. Nevertheless, it can be done, but only heavily based on the vainilla fatality animations to preserve the coherence between the excecutioner and the executed.

The answer is that yes, they will be tweaked (like most of M2TW vainilla anims adapted to our models and to ancient fighting styles). But just don't expect:

1º Anything fancy like the fight between Achilles and Hector in Troy.
2º To be high priority. Other things, like overhand cavalry or accurate legionary fighting animations are prioritary.

[Megas Methuselah]

1º Anything fancy like the fight between Achilles and Hector in Troy.
2º To be high priority. Other things, like overhand cavalry or accurate legionary fighting animations are prioritary.

It'll probably be limited to a jab at the crotch or a slash at the throat, I bet. Maybe even a spear thrust at an already downed foe (hoplites with their backup spear point?). Things very quick and deadly that probably won't stand out too much amongst the rest of the slaughter, eh?

[A Very Super Market]

A legionary stomping on some guy's face...

[-Praetor-]

Wait and you'll see.

[Ludens]

@Ludens. I was under the impression that the Longbowmen had to actually get into the melee at some point, not just kill the people already on the ground. There weren't all that many men-at-arms on the english side of that battle.

I am probably confusing battles. Either way, downed knights would often be finished by supporting troops using long, thin daggers that could be slid into weak spots of their armour.

[-Praetor-]

I am probably confusing battles. Either way, downed knights would often be finished by supporting troops using long, thin daggers that could be slid into weak spots of their armour.

No you aren't. It was at Agincourt where the longbowmen slaughtered the french knights that were prisoners. Henry ordered this deed to be done by his longbowmen in order to bypass the code of honour, that ordered knights not to kill other knights that have been captured or are unable to defend themselves. Thus, Henry used his longbowmen who were non noble, plain villains, to massacre several thousands knights.

[antisocialmunky]

Yeah, no one is disputing that. But I'm talking about joining the men at arms. I've seen quotations about how they disabled knights with lead mallets, hatchets and daggers after the melee was joined and they were out of ammunition.

All things considered, despite the tremendous amount of clusterery on the part of the French, 900 men at arms are still going find it hard to cut it against 10K-15K equally well armed french knights.

[Macilrille]

Still, it makes the battle more "fun" than in RTW, and I choose that over historical accuracy.

Fie on you!!! EB is all about historical accuracy. If you want "fun", play Vanilla!!!

ASM, yes they joined in several melees after they ran out of ammo.

A small note on the duel in Troy from one who actually fights. It is very well done, much better than most fights in most films. It suits the Heroic Style of warfare then very well.

[Ibrahim]

ASM, yes they joined in several melees after they ran out of ammo.

A small note on the duel in Troy from one who actually fights. It is very well done, much better than most fights in most films. It suits the Heroic Style of warfare then very well.

IIRC, didn't the director/fight choreographer say that the fight scenes were taken off greek vases depicting said heroic fights? I recall watching this in the DVD of the video-director's comentary/somesimilar.

*goes to look it up*

[Kevin]

Fie on you!!! EB is all about historical accuracy. If you want "fun", play Vanilla!!!

What i meant to say was that since it's already part of the game, will the EB team expand on it?

Disregard my other statements

[Megas Methuselah]

Perhaps I misspoke.

[DaciaJC]

Just let it go, eh? Seems like the thread has already served its purpose.

[geala]

To the other question in the op, I don't think that any barbarian performed executions that were more cruel than that of our beloved civilized nations of antiquity. Probably only just as cruel.

[Macilrille]

Yea sorry Kev, I was just so appalled

I have no idea whether barbarians were more "barbaric" in their executions. I suspect everybody was about equally cruel...

As for that duel, it is very hard to make a good and showy, and at the same time realistic, fight with one-handed spears. This one generally/almost succeed and is quite well choreographed- a bit too much, but still.

[Ludens]

Just let it go, eh? Seems like the thread has already served its purpose.

Seconded. Stop the spamming, please.