Eastern EB?

[A Very Super Market]

That would be like saying all the barbarians in EB are essentially the same.

Err, it would be more similar to the Aedui and Arverni. China had no real "other" culture to draw ideas from. The Northern ones never did use much nomad technology, and the only major development in warfare was the adoption of cavalry. But even then, chariots were still the norm.

[MeinPanzer]

Err, it would be more similar to the Aedui and Arverni. China had no real "other" culture to draw ideas from. The Northern ones never did use much nomad technology, and the only major development in warfare was the adoption of cavalry. But even then, chariots were still the norm.

This notion is, frankly, laughable. There was as large a difference between the armies of the different Warring States as there were between the different Hellenistic kingdoms. Zhao, Yan and Zhongshan all practiced quite a different way of war from, for instance, Qin, and Chu, being such a large empire, differed from, and influenced, many others. This is also not considering "non-Chinese" groups like Ba and Shu, the Yue and Nan Yue, and the later formation of the state of Dian.

If the game were to start around 272 BC, the different factions in what is today China would be about as diverse as the EB factions of the eastern Mediterranean - that is, the basis of the armies were fairly similar to one another, but they all had enough variety to keep them very much differentiated.

I can just see a bunch of Chinese people working on a Hellenistic mod sitting around and saying "it's all just a bunch of Greeks! doesn't look like there would be much difference between them - all phalanxes and cavalry..."

[A Very Super Market]

Then please enlighten me. I'm working from guesswork based solely off of China's more homogeneous ethnic background.

[satalexton]

why diss the ignorant? withou EB, many of us would still wallow in the filthy lies of the Romaioi, screaming for LS, and dressing up as Arcani ninjas for halloween.

Indeed, it's sad that there isn't an equivilant of EB set in the rich lands of Seres to enlighten us all. That three kingdoms mod is based on the historical NOVEL, not facts...and the zhanguo mod is dead from wt i heard. =[

[Intranetusa]

why diss the ignorant? withou EB, many of us would still wallow in the filthy lies of the Romaioi, screaming for LS, and dressing up as Arcani ninjas for halloween.

Indeed, it's sad that there isn't an equivilant of EB set in the rich lands of Seres to enlighten us all. That three kingdoms mod is based on the historical NOVEL, not facts...and the zhanguo mod is dead from wt i heard. =[

Barbar-ro! I'm still angry that EB shattered my wondrous and child-like perception of the lorica segmentata... :(

[Tanit]

Assuming a map from Baktria to Japan your faction list in 272 would look something like this.

Baktria - A Hellenistic eatern state that historically expanded into India, which is on this map.
Saka Rauka - A Steppe faction which historically expanded into Baktria and then India
Maurya - The Empire of Chandragupta Maurya covering a large proportion of India
Satavahana - Another Indian nation (Thanks to AtB here)
Pandya - Another Indian nation (Thanks to AtB here)
Wusun and/or Xiongu - Steppe faction which would eventually push the Yuezhi into Baktria
Yuezhi - Steppe faction pushed into Saka lands and subsequently into Baktria
Chinese States:
-Qi
-Chu
-Yan
-Han
-Zhao
-Wei
-Qin
-Lu
-Yue

Yamato - A powerful Japanese tribe, their dominance was not until later but it is one of the best options for a Japanese faction
Gojoseon - Korean nation


(Khotan - did not yet exist and its foundings are semi-mythical, Dvipantara - unclear if it existed this early, unlikely)

The map could also, in theory, be extended to include a portion of central and northern South America which would allow for the inclusion of factions such as the Zapotec, Pre-Classic Maya and the Chavin.

[Andronikos]

Weren't there quite developed cultures in Southeast Asia that time?

[The General]

The map could also, in theory, be extended to include a portion of central and northern South America which would allow for the inclusion of factions such as the Zapotec, Pre-Classic Maya and the Chavin.

... Why? There's barely enough faction slots to cover Central-to-East-to-South Asia properly and considering that the hypotheses of the contacts between East-Asian cultures and Mesoamerican cultures are speculative at best there'd be no reason to have East Asia where factions are fighting each other and then what would essentially be another campaign map depicting Mesoamerica and its warring states.

I'd rather include South Asian cultures alongside the ones you mentioned earlier in your posts. This would make more sense both historically and gameplaywise, imho.

[Intranetusa]

Assuming a map from Baktria to Japan your faction list in 272 would look something like this.
Baktria - A Hellenistic eatern state that historically expanded into India, which is on this map.
Saka Rauka - A Steppe faction which historically expanded into Baktria and then India
Maurya - The Empire of Chandragupta Maurya covering a large proportion of India
Satavahana - Another Indian nation (Thanks to AtB here)
Pandya - Another Indian nation (Thanks to AtB here)
Wusun and/or Xiongu - Steppe faction which would eventually push the Yuezhi into Baktria
Yuezhi - Steppe faction pushed into Saka lands and subsequently into Baktria
Chinese States:
-Qi
-Chu
-Yan
-Han
-Zhao
-Wei
-Qin
-Lu
-Yue
Yamato - A powerful Japanese tribe, their dominance was not until later but it is one of the best options for a Japanese faction
Gojoseon - Korean nation
(Khotan - did not yet exist and its foundings are semi-mythical, Dvipantara - unclear if it existed this early, unlikely)
The map could also, in theory, be extended to include a portion of central and northern South America which would allow for the inclusion of factions such as the Zapotec, Pre-Classic Maya and the Chavin.

Also interesting would be their original names - the names they gave themselves, as opposed to the name given to them by later Chinese historians...kinda like how vanilla RTW clumps many factions as being "Gaul" just because it was the Roman term generalizing the people in modern France.

[Megas Methuselah]

I can just see a bunch of Chinese people working on a Hellenistic mod sitting around and saying "it's all just a bunch of Greeks! doesn't look like there would be much difference between them - all phalanxes and cavalry..."

Wow, didn't know we were starting to get a bit racist here.

[Ludens]

Wow, didn't know we were starting to get a bit racist here.

I don't see any racism there. Meinpanzer shows the error in the argument by reversing it. Just because we don't know much about the Chinese armies of the 3rd century BC does not mean they were all alike.