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    You are far right.
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    In fact, I rate the Nazi propaganda as much more plausible than the American conservative one.
    you do?

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    You stand by Israel no matter how dubious the IDF actions were.
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    and you seemed to indicate your yearning to join IDF, so you seem to be more receptive to military service.
    i yearn? no, as a citizen i have no choice. i figure, better make the best of it.
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    It is by the divine will of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
    BLASPHEMY!!! I demand a duel to the death between my god and yours.

    Flying Spaghetti Monster versus Fire-Breathing Leprechaun. Hmm.... if yours were in a pot of water... hmmm.... actually, pasta sounds good right about now. I agree to a truce while the pasta boils. But after that, it's a HOLY WAR!!! I will take His Noodly Appendage as a trophy!!! With a lovely bit or marinara, I'm sure it would taste divine...
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    @AP:

    I don't have lots of time, so I'm not gonna address every point you made. But in regards to some american politics you have the wrong idea:

    I am a fiscal conservative, but I would rather support the Pimp n' Stoner party then Republicans. My two main grievances are their anti-intellectualism and religious fervour. Democrats have plenty of their own problems, but I always saw them as less radical in their persuasion. AFAIK, there was much less "Our President is a Nazi Muslim who supports Nazi policy" and "death panels" during the Bush era. Sure, certain hot-headed Dems called President Bush an A-hole and a dumb, but compared to the lunatic accusations thrust at Obama, all that is rather tame.
    this is bull right there. compared to what bush went through, obama is getting nothin but fruitcakes and flowers! And have you watched the news or read a paper lately? Obama is already trying to push some horrible legislations on us (such as the longer school hours, schools open on weekends, and shortened summer vacations) and he has the full support of just about everyone, for the same reason he was elected in the first place. Everyone makes mistakes, but Bush at least got some things right in a sticky situation. Obama is just making a bad situation much worse. And what about his communist broadcast to every child in every school in America? I don't know about you, but I have a 4th grader brother, a 2nd grader sister, and a kindergardener brother who (if they hadn't been pulled out of school that day) would have had to, like everyone else in the county, watched his socialist speech and then write a paper about it! 4th graders writing papers on a presidents political speech! So not only are thye subjected to visual brainwashing, but they also have it ingrained in their minds due to the paper. Bush never did that.

    But if you were to be born in Germany, and you grew up in the same manner, your unquestionable love of Israel would be transferred to unquestionable love of Germany. You would be the first one to join SS if they accepted you. Now, do not take this as an insult, please. It is not. I understand you will be rightfully indignant about me saying such thing about you, a Jew above all things. You have to open up your mind here. And so do the mods, before they consider giving me a two-day vacation.
    I find this offensive. I too am a Jew, and just being Jewish does not mean that we (or I at least) have unquestionable love for Israel. If the issue of Palestinians vs Israel ever comes up, I am definitely not on the side of "OMG KILL THEM ALL LOLZ!". I think there's nothing wrong with giving the stupid gaza strip to a new nation; if their morals are as bad as Israel thinks, it will fall anyway.

    And joining up with the SS? Could Hooahguy maybe not be a devoted military man? Is it not possible he would forego that occupation and live a simpler life? I know I would never join any military at least, most especially one with questionable morals that slaughters and tortures prisoners for no good reason.

    I too would have joined SS if my patriotism was on par with yours. Quite likely, I would have even joined given my current level of nationalism, although I do like to think I my nationalism is rational, in the sense that it is not militaristic. I do not dream of joining the Russian Army, and you seemed to indicate your yearning to join IDF, so you seem to be more receptive to military service. Whatever the case, hindsight is not the approach here. Your mind would have been indoctrinated with propaganda, and there is no more accessible a mind than a nationalist one.
    Wow. You took "Ah yes, a mindless pawn" and turned it into "I love my country id do anything for it it is so awesome yay lets go we are always right". Wanting to join the military does not make you a nationalist.



    Anyway this is not a thread discussing who would have done what if they lived in Nazi Germany. It's about making fun at the fact that some people might think Hitler is still alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    i yearn? no, as a citizen i have no choice. i figure, better make the best of it.
    No choice? Oh come on.

    Just fake suicidal and you're free to go.
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    but then theres the whole "howd he get married if hes dead" thing...:P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian Iron View Post
    but then theres the whole "howd he get married if hes dead" thing...:P
    Suicidal, not suicide.... A rather big difference
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    but then wouldnt it go on my record? then how would i get a job. doesnt look too good if theres a big fat "HES SUICIDAL" on my resume.
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    The fact that you're an American citzen who was educated in America has no bearing on your mandatory service?
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    dual-citizen. im giving up american citizenship when i am drafted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    dual-citizen. im giving up american citizenship when i am drafted.
    You'd give up your American citzenship for Isreali citzenship? All so you can fight in some tribal conflict thousands of years old that has no end in sight?

    You've spent your summers looking at this country through a window and you are now ready to pick up a rifle and kill someone else for this country? Why?

    I don't mean to be rude but It seems to me you have bought propaganda hook, line, and sinker.
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    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    but then wouldnt it go on my record? then how would i get a job. doesnt look too good if theres a big fat "HES SUICIDAL" on my resume.
    A lot of people seem to think that. Why that is I have no idea.

    Such information is strictly confidential.

    You'll get a card saying you're exempted from service, unfit for active duty, subject to reserve duty or something along those lines, if you get anything at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    The fact that you're an American citzen who was educated in America has no bearing on your mandatory service?
    I had a russo-norwegian in my company. He was desperate to join the norwegian army, since he would've been drafted to the russian army unless he finished the norwegian service. He had both russian and norwegian citizenship I believe. Unfortunately, he punched a 2nd luitenant when he had a month remaining.... Not sure what happened to the guy...
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    Giving up American citizenship?

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    well lets put you in my postion. what would you do?
    if i wasnt jewish id give up israeli citizenship in a heartbeat. its very hard to remain a religious jew in the US army.

    remember that the country that you refer to is not just "some place" for me. it hold much more than that for me. anyhow, we are digressing from the main topic, my military service hold no bearing in the conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    well lets put you in my postion. what would you do?
    if i wasnt jewish id give up israeli citizenship in a heartbeat. its very hard to remain a religious jew in the US army.

    remember that the country that you refer to is not just "some place" for me. it hold much more than that for me. anyhow, we are digressing from the main topic, my military service hold no bearing in the conversation.
    Stay here.

    The only reason you are doing this is becuase you're Jewish. Why should Isreal get you? Because you're jewish?

    I don't see how you can simply turn your back on America to go and fight for someone simply becuase you have the same religon as them. Hell I recall a thread where the ultra-orthodox jews yelled at some of your classmates b/c of there clothing. And now you're going to fight for them?

    uBER-lAME
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    and an israeli, had i chose to retain american citizenship, would say the same thing:
    "you are turning your back on Israel to stay in the US?

    uBER-lAME"

    also, arent there americans who hate america, ie WBC? do our souldiers fight for them? yes. same concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Stay here.

    The only reason you are doing this is becuase you're Jewish. Why should Isreal get you? Because you're jewish?

    I don't see how you can simply turn your back on America to go and fight for someone simply becuase you have the same religon as them. Hell I recall a thread where the ultra-orthodox jews yelled at some of your classmates b/c of there clothing. And now you're going to fight for them?

    uBER-lAME
    Not everyone wears their PATRIOT-glasses all the time, SFTS.... Some are actually able to see things in a more international light
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    I would like to point out that there was quite a lot of the Bush = Hitler when he was in office, just like we have the Obama = Stalin. Or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian Iron View Post
    @AP:

    I don't have lots of time, so I'm not gonna address every point you made. But in regards to some american politics you have the wrong idea:
    In the very opening of your post you have made a mistake that made me wish I could just skip over and ignore your post. Only a naive, inexperienced, and immature individual truly believes there is such thing as "right or wrong" in this world. Now, I know you are much better than that, but that was a semi-accidental, careless "FAIL" on your part there... Whatever, we all make mistakes.

    In any case, everything I say is my opinion and unless it is a scientific debate, I never claim to be right or that someone is wrong. I am simply presenting my point of view, my take on the matter. Given that, I do not feel good about further rebutting your post, as I see there is nothing I can change. You already have your point of view crystallised in your mind. What sort of politics do you associate yourself with, Prussian Iron? Just interested.



    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian Iron View Post
    this is bull right there. compared to what bush went through, obama is getting nothin but fruitcakes and flowers! And have you watched the news or read a paper lately? Obama is already trying to push some horrible legislations on us (such as the longer school hours, schools open on weekends, and shortened summer vacations) and he has the full support of just about everyone, for the same reason he was elected in the first place. Everyone makes mistakes, but Bush at least got some things right in a sticky situation. Obama is just making a bad situation much worse. And what about his communist broadcast to every child in every school in America? I don't know about you, but I have a 4th grader brother, a 2nd grader sister, and a kindergardener brother who (if they hadn't been pulled out of school that day) would have had to, like everyone else in the county, watched his socialist speech and then write a paper about it! 4th graders writing papers on a presidents political speech! So not only are thye subjected to visual brainwashing, but they also have it ingrained in their minds due to the paper. Bush never did that.
    Your opinion. Neither your nor my opinion matters here, as we both know nothing about such a compelx and wide-encopassing matter as perception of Presidents or the relative amounts of criticism they face. not to mention, much of this depends on how much news you listen/read and what sources you listen/read.

    I will however add that I do not recollect President Bush facing as much bile and slander in the beginning of his terms. Obama faced the often racism-motivated, preposterously absurd ranting of the majority of Republicans, even officially. Congressmen speaking about "death panels", calling him a "Muslim", calling him "uppity", calling him "a liar" - I am sorry, but it is my opinion Bush had it easier.

    Main issue here is that I believe you accidentally overlooked the beginning of Bush's first term, and compared his late years with Obama's beginning. Two different things. Obama should not have been criticised as much in the beginning.

    "(such as the longer school hours, schools open on weekends, and shortened summer vacations)"
    On the contrary, that are very wise, if unpopular legislation. I do not cannot revive any memory of Obama holding school on weekends, but yes, he does wish longer hours and short summer school. If you may have perhaps taken note, the US is slipping in education. And by slipping, I mean US is falling behind many Third World nations in factors such as test scores and literacy. Hell, more than half of the doctorates in US are held by foreigners. Bleak times. US has rather brief school-times in comparison.

    But the longer school hours is debatable... There are many factors here. What is not, however, debatable, is that summer break must be diminished in length. I forget practically all my maths during the summer. That is merely the main factor. Summers are detrimental to learning, and much time is squandered on simply the re-assertion of data students lost. Summers are indeed a relic of older, agricultural times and they are anachronistic in today's urbanised America. I hate to say this, but you are merely conveying an impression to me of a student who dislikes those policies simply because they will require you to work and study more... Please show me how I am incorrect to deduce thusly.

    "communist broadcast"
    Given the mind-boggling inanity and ludicrousness of this allegation, which paints a picture of a far-right worried soccer-mom/Rush Limbaugh hybrid in my mind, I am stunned no-one has erupted on you for your assertion. All I can say is, do you know what communism is like? Can you grasp the searing intensity and intransigence of communism? ...


    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian Iron View Post
    I find this offensive. I too am a Jew, and just being Jewish does not mean that we (or I at least) have unquestionable love for Israel. If the issue of Palestinians vs Israel ever comes up, I am definitely not on the side of "OMG KILL THEM ALL LOLZ!". I think there's nothing wrong with giving the stupid gaza strip to a new nation; if their morals are as bad as Israel thinks, it will fall anyway.
    If I had a nickel for every time you said "I find this offensive. I am a Jew"...

    You know what, I find your talk offensive? Whoopte-doo! Well, sorry, I know you have the right to be "offended", but I find most of the the current hype about the expression "offensive" to be pure ballyhoo. Offensive is when I insult you or your ethnicity directly. I was not talking to you, but to Hooah. You have no right to be offended here, but I understand why you are. I know Hooah well, we are good friends, and what I said about him, save for "far right" is basically accurate. Now, if you take what I said to Hooah and apply it to yourself or Jews in general, then you get problemos...

    Just as note, no one knew SS was going to kill Jews and POWs when they joined it. Well, not in the beginning. No one really knew, out of the common people, that the Nazis were planning mass-murder. You are ignoring awfully many factors here, Prussian Iron. Patriotic people eager to join the military often went to SS if they were found "pure" (ideologically & racially) and physically fit enough. If Hooah would be all three, then given his strong patriotism he would join SS, if he was born and raised in Germany in that era.

    Finally, your last two sentences make no sense... I would like for you to elaborate, if you wish.


    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian Iron View Post
    and just being Jewish does not mean that we (or I at least) have unquestionable love for Israel. If the issue of Palestinians vs Israel ever comes up, I am definitely not on the side of "OMG KILL THEM ALL LOLZ!". I think there's nothing wrong with giving the stupid gaza strip to a new nation; if their morals are as bad as Israel thinks, it will fall anyway.
    I was not speaking of Jews in general or you when I posted a response to Hooah. There. Stop taking my post out of context. Of course not all Jews are like that. But notice I specifically posted in response to Hooahguy, only taking him into consideration, and no one else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian Iron View Post
    And joining up with the SS? Could Hooahguy maybe not be a devoted military man? Is it not possible he would forego that occupation and live a simpler life? I know I would never join any military at least, most especially one with questionable morals that slaughters and tortures prisoners for no good reason.
    Well, it is well-known to me that Hooah aspires to join IDF. He is interested in the military. Nowhere in my previous post did I simply assume. I took all the info I knew about Hooah, and applied it. He is interested in joining the military. But this is OK, since you did not know that about Hooah. I know I am prone to generalisations, so your skepticism was rightfully founded.



    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian Iron View Post
    Wow. You took "Ah yes, a mindless pawn" and turned it into "I love my country id do anything for it it is so awesome yay lets go we are always right". Wanting to join the military does not make you a nationalist.
    Once again, you do not know Hooah as well. He is both a strong patriot and he has stated many times he was going to or wanted to join IDF. I did not "turn" anything into anything. And Hooah could have admittedly done better than so swiftly throwing an unsupported, one-sentence insult. Although I do not mind it at all, because I like it when people can do that, not constricted by overtly strict moderating. Just as long as it does not get out of hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    right.
    Why not? Your political (not social) stances are far right. You are not a moderate conservative. Bibi is not, and I know you support him greatly, even though there are more moderate conservatives in Israel. Not that there is anything wrong with being far-right.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    you do?
    I do . Republicans tend to circumvent science and moderation quite often. Especially science.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    false
    Look, I cannot list off every time you supported or went against Jewish-related policies. I generalised of course. In general, you support Israel and IDF more than anyone in this whole establishment. That is enough for me. Shoot, just take a look at this thread and tell me with a straight face you are nevertheless a moderate - Dealing with anti-Semitism on the internet


    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    i yearn? no, as a citizen i have no choice. i figure, better make the best of it.
    I recollect you mentioning your wish to be a "sniper in IDF or something like it". Nothing to be ashamed of here, you simply wish to join your nation's military. Note I used "nation" which denotes ethnic and political definitions, as opposed to a "country" which is purely political. US can never be a "nation" under the common politological definition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    You'd give up your American citzenship for Isreali citzenship? All so you can fight in some tribal conflict thousands of years old that has no end in sight?

    You've spent your summers looking at this country through a window and you are now ready to pick up a rifle and kill someone else for this country? Why?

    I don't mean to be rude but It seems to me you have bought propaganda hook, line, and sinker.
    Hmm, SFTS has some points. My opinion is that you have to choose. Either Israel or America. Not both. It is thankless to be raised in America, enjoying the countless benefits, and then quit and fight for another country. Like SFTS I am not altogether approving of individuals who wish to live in one country, but have allegiance to another. If US was to grant me citizenship, I would immideately forget about Russia and ditch my Russian nationalism in favour of full allegiance to America.

    That said, the "tribal conflict" and "bought propaganda" remarks were taken slightly too far for my tastes. All Jews have very strong sense of belonging to Israel, and a sense of unity. That is very good. With all the enemies, they need to band together. That is the usual course for historically severely oppressed minorities.

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    I will however add that I do not recollect President Bush facing as much bile and slander in the beginning of his terms. Obama faced the often racism-motivated, preposterously absurd ranting of the majority of Republicans, even officially. Congressmen speaking about "death panels", calling him a "Muslim", calling him "uppity", calling him "a liar" - I am sorry, but it is my opinion Bush had it easier.
    No, people just depicted him as a monkey, which I am sure is much better than as a Muslim according to your logic. You are also mistaken to say that the majority of Republicans are motivated by racism. Is he uppity? Of course he his. Is he a liar? He's a politician.

    Bush was accused of much, much worse things than being a Muslim or a liar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    and an israeli, had i chose to retain american citizenship, would say the same thing:
    "you are turning your back on Israel to stay in the US?

    uBER-lAME"

    also, arent there americans who hate america, ie WBC? do our souldiers fight for them? yes. same concept.
    But you were born and raised here. Your family lives and works here. Now you're going to take up arms with people simply becuase you have the same ascentry as them?

    I understand the power of religon. At the same time you have to look and realize any land you gain or lose will not be becuase one side had God but becuase the gov't on one side decided it was prudent to do so.

    Your fate is going to be decided by a man. One whom I'm sure is very excited at the prospect that his manpower now includes Americans.

    I also like to think what would happen if a bunch of arabs whom where educated in a mosuqe went to Palestine and fought for them. Something tells me my awesome gov't would be all over that.

    WBC makes up .00000000000000001% of the American pop. Those same jewish men who got angry at your friend make up a MUCH larger portion of the Isreali pop and you know that.

    I realize I'm coming off as a grade-A arse but dang.


    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Not everyone wears their PATRIOT-glasses all the time, SFTS.... Some are actually able to see things in a more international light
    ? I'm fully aware we support Isreal for reasons of oil and as a chip against the Irianians or if the Suad decideds to get uppity. When you boil it all down it just so happens there retarded ethnic conflict is different than the 100,000 others becuase they're killing eachother on top of errlll.

    Make no mistake I know nationalism is an outdated philosphy used by the bourgeoisie to send the Proletariat to there deaths for a few more coins. But this is just like getting spit on.
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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    That said, the "tribal conflict" and "bought propaganda" remarks were taken slightly too far for my tastes. All Jews have very strong sense of belonging to Israel, and a sense of unity. That is very good. With all the enemies, they need to band together. That is the usual course for historically severely oppressed minorities.
    I'm sure Hooah's heart is in the right place but I tend to veiw the Jewish lobby and the guys in South Boston who were busy sending money to the IRA in the same light.

    These are men who are sucking off Americas teet in order to settle old scores in there "home" countries. It's disgusting.

    I don't send money to any Sicilian independence movement nor to any English one. My family came over for a reason. Home countries be damned.
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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    On the contrary, that are very wise, if unpopular legislation. I do not cannot revive any memory of Obama holding school on weekends, but yes, he does wish longer hours and short summer school. If you may have perhaps taken note, the US is slipping in education. And by slipping, I mean US is falling behind many Third World nations in factors such as test scores and literacy. Hell, more than half of the doctorates in US are held by foreigners. Bleak times. US has rather brief school-times in comparison.

    But the longer school hours is debatable... There are many factors here. What is not, however, debatable, is that summer break must be diminished in length. I forget practically all my maths during the summer. That is merely the main factor. Summers are detrimental to learning, and much time is squandered on simply the re-assertion of data students lost. Summers are indeed a relic of older, agricultural times and they are anachronistic in today's urbanised America. I hate to say this, but you are merely conveying an impression to me of a student who dislikes those policies simply because they will require you to work and study more... Please show me how I am incorrect to deduce thusly.
    do you know why grades are slipping? gangs, drugs, alcohol, no punishments for not handing in work. i have met dozens of people just in my classes in the last 2 years that will never get anywhere because they dont give a damn. people like them bring grades down alot.

    summer vacation does not bring grades down.

    if he wants to shorten summer vacation, why not add the same amount of time to the winter vacation? 2 2-month long breaks during the year. then right as you start to get bored.....school!


    If I had a nickel for every time you said "I find this offensive. I am a Jew"...

    name 2 times.

    and you seem to be making "Jew" into a group of like political, not religious, beliefs.
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    You are also mistaken to say that the majority of Republicans are motivated by racism.
    Actually, I loathe that argument, but I am using it for my ends now. Countless people are still uncomfortable with a black President. They do not have to be racist. It is but normal to not like people different from you. Their actions are influenced by their subtle racism. It is the same as being nervous when you see a couple of black men with hands in their jacket pockets, dressed like gangsters, walk into a store. You may not be racist, but the subtle racism and prejudice is leading you to expect things of black people that you would not assume about white people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    Is he uppity? Of course he his.
    Sorry, EMFM, but you need to be an American or live here to know the significance. "Uppity" is an old, rather Southern term normally applied to "Negroes in positions to high up for my liking". Often people would yell "upppity nigr". This is very serious. There is a reason why that Congressman used that specific term. And it is no coincidence he was old.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    Is he a liar? He's a politician.
    Hehe, I know, I am no Obama fan myself, but you have to understand that on the Senate floor individuals are expected to act civil and not to insult other persons directly. Calling the United States President a "liar" literally in his face, during a Senate session is unprecedented in US. There is a good reason Senate made use of the relatively rare censure action. That said, Obama is a big, fat liar, but that is no justification for the inability to restrain one's-self in the Senate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    Bush was accused of much, much worse things than being a Muslim or a liar.
    Not on the Senate floor. Bush was slighted, people called him all sorts of things. That always happens. "Monkey" is an empty insult, just like calling someone an A-hole or a jerk or such. "Muslim" is deliberate disinformation, and I the reason I mention it is because Congressmen are saying Obama is Muslim. Many of them. THAT is bad. It is to the same as a couch potato calling bush an idiot or a single politician casually depicting Bush as a monkey.

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    Actually, I loathe that argument, but I am using it for my ends now. Countless people are still uncomfortable with a black President. They do not have to be racist. It is but normal to not like people different from you. Their actions are influenced by their subtle racism. It is the same as being nervous when you see a couple of black men with hands in their jacket pockets, dressed like gangsters, walk into a store. You may not be racist, but the subtle racism and prejudice is leading you to expect things of black people that you would not assume about white people.
    really? i have nothing wrong with black people, and i hate obama. racism has nothing to do with it; both parties are multi-racial.


    Sorry, EMFM, but you need to be an American or live here to know the significance. "Uppity" is an old, rather Southern term normally applied to "Negroes in positions to high up for my liking". Often people would yell "upppity nigr". This is very serious. There is a reason why that Congressman used that specific term. And it is no coincidence he was old.
    yet another example of you using racism/prejudice in your argument. you know nobody will contest racial slurs.

    Not on the Senate floor. Bush was slighted, people called him all sorts of things. That always happens. "Monkey" is an empty insult, just like calling someone an A-hole or a jerk or such. "Muslim" is deliberate disinformation, and I the reason I mention it is because Congressmen are saying Obama is Muslim. Many of them. THAT is bad. It is to the same as a couch potato calling bush an idiot or a single politician casually depicting Bush as a monkey.
    why do you keep thinking that "Muslim" is an insult? if people think hes a muslim who gives a damn. its not an insult, stop thinking it is. we all know the only true religious insult is calling someone a "Jew" :D

    this isnt the thread to be discussing this anyway. im requesting a lock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian Iron View Post
    do you know why grades are slipping? gangs, drugs, alcohol, no punishments for not handing in work. i have met dozens of people just in my classes in the last 2 years that will never get anywhere because they dont give a damn. people like them bring grades down alot.
    Of course, every factor counts. For instance, it is my opinion that the rampant anti-intelectualism as well as the harmful American popular culture discourages learning, as it is "for wimpy nerds". There is no longer that respect for science in this nation. No too long ago, the front page of NY Times featured "Intelligent Design- a politically savvy challenge to evolution". No serious scientist supports the ID, a new name for more radical creationism. Popular pundits argue for it. And "politically savvy challenge to evolution" makes as much sense as "sociologically astute inquiry upon Big Bang Theory". Yet the close to 60% of Americans in recent polls seem to have abandoned evolution because their preacher commands more respect than a "snobby, elitist" scientist. But that is an another topic - start a new thread if you wish.

    Whatever it may be, drugs, gangs, alcohol are problems that plague every other state in the world, in no lesser but usually larger degree than US. C'mon - it is simple, elementary logic working here: "Our school-marks are below other nations - let us examine how we are different from those other nations then". Studies have shown that increases in school time and decreases in summer vacations raised grades. Why are we even debating this?? Studying more helps you learn more and become more proficient in the certain topic. How can summer school possibly be detrimental? All the American kids need to do is lift their lazy rumps off their X-boxes, plasma TVs, and computer chairs and study more. I went to summer school this year and I am still alive. There is nothing horrific about it.

    Now, this increasing school time will not work miracles - you are absolutely correct that "some people do not give a damn", but it will raise grades nevertheless to a certain degree.

    I am certain the Obama Administration is more informed on the causes of such problems than the two of us... This is by no means a simple issue. Statistics and longitudinal studies are one of the keys. We do not operate such data. Neither is Obama an evil monster attempting to destroy America - he is doing his best on the contrary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian Iron View Post
    summer vacation does not bring grades down.
    I am certain you would know that. And convince me with just a one sentence, without providing any evidence...

    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian Iron View Post
    if he wants to shorten summer vacation, why not add the same amount of time to the winter vacation? 2 2-month long breaks during the year. then right as you start to get bored.....school!
    I am sorry, are you actually serious? Do you believe in the usefulness of this suggestion?





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    name 2 times.
    What about that thread in the EB forum when you said you were offended by the statement by a mere mention of SS as an "elite force"? Words leave me when I consider how that can possibly be interpreted as offensive. Does the mere mention of "charismatic Hitler" offend you as well? You bet your rear-end SS was elite, ask the Ruskies, Limeys, Canucks, Amis, and Frogs who fought them - or see the graves that the SS was responsibly for. Or their often revolutionary equipment, such as mottled uniforms - first mass use of realistic camouflage in history of modern warfare; or the Tiger and Panther tanks they had; or the StG 44, the world's first mass-produced assault rifle. They were an elite, and no one cares what your or my opinion on them is. You cannot simply revise and silence history. Especially not on these forums.

    Similarly Hitler was charismatic, otherwise how did he get the Germans to like him so much, and not some other politician from a major, established, and well-funded party??

    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian Iron View Post
    and you seem to be making "Jew" into a group of like political, not religious, beliefs.
    But it is. It is a political and an ethnic group. There is Judaism the religion, and then the Jews the ethnicity. You do not think Hitler hated a religion, do you? No, he hated the Jewish folk, the ethnic Jewish folk, and then their religion, due to the association factor.

    Jews are very much a political group. Did you not read Strike's post? The Jewish Lobby is one of the most powerful lobbying organisations in US. American, and all Jewry in general is a very talented and prominent minority which has produced innumerable scientists, artists, writers, politicians, businessmen - the list goes on and on. Those people are prominent individuals, with wealth aplenty, and they would be fools not to take advantage of their status to advance their interests. Especially when everyone else is doing so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian Iron View Post
    really? i have nothing wrong with black people, and i hate obama. racism has nothing to do with it; both parties are multi-racial.
    I did not say everyone is racist. I said many are. And there is a world of difference between subtle, unintentional racism and outright hate. Whatever it may be, Republicans are not multi-racial. Michael Steele is joke, every black professor in my Uni fumes over his role in Republican party. They are using him, and he is not even a conservative in many issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian Iron View Post
    why do you keep thinking that "Muslim" is an insult?
    I do not. I think that it is an insult to ignore Obama's assurances and a load of facts to deliberately spread misinformation, using the Obama's purported Moslem faith as if it was an bad thing - which it is for many of the Republicans in US, who are intolerant of Muslims. Especially when it is done by supposedly respectable politicians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian Iron View Post
    you know nobody will contest racial slurs.
    Sorry, I do not understand. Can you please elaborate?

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    this isnt the thread to be discussing this anyway. im requesting a lock.
    ...and I am requesting you to be reminded of the fact other people exist besides you and that some of them may rather continue the thread and do, in fact have their own opinions. The mods will lock it when they believe it is right do so. You came here, misinterpreted my post aimed at Hooah, and now you, and now you want to lock this thread just because you do not like its direction or because for some reason you feel you are losing?

    Just stop posting and go to some other thread - no need to spoil the whole thing. I do not know if it is just the mean, pessimistic me, but the quote screamed of self-centredness. There is plenty of threads for everyone here, believe me

    Not to mention, Backroom threads are meant to go off-topic,as long as the debate is reasonable and civil.
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    do you know why grades are slipping? gangs, drugs, alcohol, no punishments for not handing in work. i have met dozens of people just in my classes in the last 2 years that will never get anywhere because they dont give a damn. people like them bring grades down alot.

    summer vacation does not bring grades down.

    if he wants to shorten summer vacation, why not add the same amount of time to the winter vacation? 2 2-month long breaks during the year. then right as you start to get bored.....school!
    Long summer vacations are indeed bad in terms of education; that's basically two-plus months for your brain to atrophy. Your brain does not like useless BS and is constantly deleting "junk" to make room for important memories and information. Knowing how to divide polynomials is, to your brain, worthless. Since this information is not being reinforced throughout the summer, students often have to "relearn" the same things over and over. For example, for PreCalculus this year, so far we've been going over functions-related material that I first learned 3-4 years ago.

    You have a massive personal bias regarding this issue, anyone can see that. That said, so do I.

    No shortened vacations! Down with Obumma!

    US has rather brief school-times in comparison.
    I read in an article about this very topic that US students have more instructional hours per year than most students in other countries (like, a hundred more than Japan, 200 more than Taiwan or something like that). Maybe a factor is that we're just inefficient?

    Hehe, I know, I am no Obama fan myself, but you have to understand that on the Senate floor individuals are expected to act civil and not to insult other persons directly. Calling the United States President a "liar" literally in his face, during a Senate session is unprecedented in US.
    Remember the early 19th century, when politicians used to have duels and beat the **** out of each other? Imagine Joe Wilson performing a somersault jump-kick right into Obama's face instead of accusing Obama of lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azathoth View Post
    I read in an article about this very topic that US students have more instructional hours per year than most students in other countries (like, a hundred more than Japan, 200 more than Taiwan or something like that). Maybe a factor is that we're just inefficient?
    Hmm, I remember reading the same, but I did not trust it. It seems impossible. They have school on Saturdays in Japan. Long hours, little holidays, and AFAIK, small summer vacation (not sure about the last one though). Therefore, I did not pay attention to the source. I wonder what they mean by "instructional hours"? In general, US children have much less time, and it is different for every state.



    Quote Originally Posted by Azathoth View Post
    Remember the early 19th century, when politicians used to have duels and beat the **** out of each other? Imagine Joe Wilson performing a somersault jump-kick right into Obama's face instead of accusing Obama of lying.
    Yeah, but that was then, of course. Still, Preston Brooks was classic

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    Their actions are influenced by their subtle racism.
    I don't believe that. Saying that people who dislike Obama are influenced by subtle racism is far too easy of an explanation. I dislike him because I dislike his policies. His skin colour has nothing to do with it. Actually, all of the politicians I really hate are white.

    It is the same as being nervous when you see a couple of black men with hands in their jacket pockets, dressed like gangsters, walk into a store. You may not be racist, but the subtle racism and prejudice is leading you to expect things of black people that you would not assume about white people.
    I'm more concerned that they're dressed like gangsters than them being black actually. I'd have the same reaction to white people dressed as gangsters.

    Sorry, EMFM, but you need to be an American or live here to know the significance. "Uppity" is an old, rather Southern term normally applied to "Negroes in positions to high up for my liking". Often people would yell "upppity nigr".
    It seems like it's a word that somebody "made" to be racist rather than one that actually is. In every other English-speaking country that I've been to it means more or less a snob.

    Calling the United States President a "liar" literally in his face, during a Senate session is unprecedented in US.
    I know, which is why it seems you need to adopt the Westminster system.

    Not on the Senate floor. Bush was slighted, people called him all sorts of things. That always happens. "Monkey" is an empty insult, just like calling someone an A-hole or a jerk or such. "Muslim" is deliberate disinformation, and I the reason I mention it is because Congressmen are saying Obama is Muslim. Many of them. THAT is bad. It is to the same as a couch potato calling bush an idiot or a single politician casually depicting Bush as a monkey.
    I'm not talking about politicians, I'm talking about exactly the same group of people which is most viciously reacting to the ludicrous accusations that Obama is a Muslim. Congressmen and Senators are among them. Just because they choose not to voice that opinion on the Senate floor...well, how many Senators have called Obama a Muslim on the Senate floor? And how many representatives have made wild accusations directed at Bush on the Senate floor?

    No, the attacks on Obama aren't more vicious, they're just from a different source.

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    "Subtle Racism" seems like an oxymoron to me...

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