Pirate Ship Mafia [Concluded]

[LittleGrizzly]

I would like to point out I never allured to being anything but an able seaman!

I think Sasaki is the better target than Andres...

I wonder if anyone at all would be willing to bet thier gold on my guilt... some people seem so convinced thier willing to spend the whole day distracted with it... surely you would be willing to put some of your precious gold up as proof of your convinction... I surely would not be so stupid as to jump out into centre stage as a guilty party...

Your letting killers get away with killing at night and following thier directed lynches during the day... Sasaki has declared big townie groups lame and now is leading the town to his choosing

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yarrr... why are you so keen to make bets about yer supposed innocence, LittleGhostly? We will know what you are in a couple days' time. Focusing on yourself does nary a thing for catching the traitors here.

Since we're repeating ourselves:

Yarrr... why are you so keen to make bets about yer supposed innocence, LittleGhostly? We will know what you are in a couple days' time. Focusing on yourself does nary a thing for catching the traitors here.

Your letting killers get away with killing at night and following thier directed lynches during the day... Sasaki has declared big townie groups lame and now is leading the town to his choosing

Yeah, and if Sasaki and Andres are mafia (and they'd most likely be starting mafia, given how early this is) and they want to direct the town to their doom for a whole round or two, and then die in the process, it's a good trade. Slightly reminiscent of a certain Pizzaguy and his exhortations to lynch FactionHeir and CountArach, and then following up on the tip on discovery1.....

Bottom line: No sale. Sasaki and his group aren't all mafia, number one, and if Sasaki is, ( suuuuuure he is.... ) he's dead anyway.

[Chaotix]

18... pages... of... text...



Me brain has given out. Now it's more mush'n it was before.

[LittleGrizzly]

Im lynched already but the problem is we seem to by lynching woad&fangs because he vouched for me (like people were asked to, though i never asked him to) so if im innocent woad&fangs doesn't look bad as a result, so im saying if your so convinced of my guilt maken a bet on t and we'll find out in a few days time...

Also im sugesting sasaki as a better lynch for organising a vig group and targeting innocents day and night so far, and also Andres as a better lynch for participating in this...

Im requesting the bets now as its pretty much pointless to woad&fangs in a few rounds if he's lynched now to see me proven innocent, so at least some loss or maybe reconsideration is a possibility. This is why I never asked someone to come forward for me in the first place... and now all of a sudden he's the next lynch target...

Lets get them for vouch for each other one at a time and we could spend a few days distracted with this fun!

I wonder if I have ever spent this much time arguing in a thread when I was guilty after I died....

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yar, maybe woad&fangs isn't guilty, and maybe you aren't either. But this early in the game, you can't pass up on people who do suspicious things. If you want to save woad though, you'd have to say who your partners are.

Really, if you turn up innocent I'm going to stomp on yer grave. If you actually had a 4 person group and could have saved yourself by dropping a couple names who you had no reason to keep private

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

arrr surely me offer can attract more people then that? I am basically giving away gold here people!

[LittleGrizzly]

Im kind of slightly hoping you won't live long enough to do that stomping...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Im kind of slightly hoping you won't live long enough to do that stomping...

The vote is tied. You could have saved yourself yesterday by naming your partners, and you could save him today by doing the same...and so could he. Did you misread your pm as joker or something? Let's here the names if you have them...or one good reason why neither of you will share them...it is not sensitive information in the slightest. The mafia start with three people, and you claimed 4.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

sadly Sasaki has a point..... this could have all been avoided..... bit late for that now, I think Sasaki jumped the gun here, that is for sure.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Im kind of slightly hoping you won't live long enough to do that stomping...

Now there's some townie-like behavior... petty revenge.

Again, I really must ask: Why would Sasaki risk his head just to destroy your reputation for 3 rounds and end your life, at the cost of his own life, if he were mafia? It's not even a valid WIFOM tactic because it's inherently self-destructive; at the very least gets him investigated. Even if he were wrong about you, do we compound that mistake with a second bad lynch? Every player knows that the most common reaction to someone leading a bad lynch on a townie is a reflexive lynch in retribution, or a vigilante kill. Utterly pointless behavior for a scumbag. If he were scum, he's on a road which has a dead end followed by a cliff, and there's no turnin' back. Why don't you RELAX and enjoy the fact that a scumbag gave his life to kill you? Surely that's a fair trade. In the meantime, we MIGHT be discussin' more LIKELY suspects fer bein' Brits or Maven crew.

I think Sasaki jumped the gun here, that is for sure.

That remains t' be seen, doesn't it?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Good point......

[Sasaki Kojiro]

sadly Sasaki has a point..... this could have all been avoided..... bit late for that now, I think Sasaki jumped the gun here, that is for sure.

I am getting that feeling, will be annoyed if that's true. LG's tone reminds me of another game I played where a townie gloated about how wrong we were after he was lynched for posting a botched detective pm forgery

But I don't think we'll lose this game on account of a bad lynch like we did that one, that was quite pathetic, and I hope LG is smarter than that and is actually guilty.


woad&fangs, why don't you try and clear things up by doing something other than squawking?

[LittleGrizzly]

Also im sugesting sasaki as a better lynch for organising a vig group and targeting innocents day and night so far, and also Andres as a better lynch for participating in this...

This paragragh answers your point about them being mafia... I never said they were...(this was posted above)

I said they were killers directing deaths of innocents in the day and night (that was assuming they managed to get woad lynched tonight) so i never hid any reasoning...

Im sure vengance is a pirate trait... Yarr!

The mafia start with three people, and you claimed 4.

maybe I wasn't part of a group of 3 people ?!

Edit:

My death is no worries but maybe we should avoid lynching woad now you've realised your mistake ?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Im sure vengance is a pirate trait... Yarr!

The mafia start with three people, and you claimed 4.

maybe I wasn't part of a group of 3 people ?!

Edit:

My death is no worries but maybe we should avoid lynching woad now you've realised your mistake ?

If vengeance is a pirate trait so is killing people for being annoying.

Killing woad is the best move anyhow, you could still be lying, if not then good riddance.

You claimed a group of 4, thus if 3 people had supported you then you couldn't be a mafia family. If only 1 or 2 did then it was still up in the air.

Names...of...partners <-- obvious play if you are townie

2...plus...2...equals...4 <--obvious math

[KukriKhan]

*Jolt: I want to join your vig group to kill LG.

Sasaki: Ok...at the moment it's just you, me and AVSM. I'll see if I can get someone else before the deadline.

Jolt: If you get the missing guy, gimme a heads-up, or we don't need to say who we're working with?

Sasaki: Ok, I don't know if AVSM will be back before 12:00 eastern (deadline). If he is then send your orders in. Or Andres should we have you in the group instead, you are on the fence?
-----------------------end of quoted purported PM chain----------------


pevergreen: thats why I vote Jolt.

Why does YLC?

He be owing his vote to me for a while.

So pevergreen alleges that Jolt , out of the blue, knows about a vigilante group and its target and who is coordinating?

Unless there be more (much more) discussion before 'at particular PM chain, I gots to call "shenanigans". And how does it explain "why I vote Jolt"? And who is "he" who "be owing his vote to me for a while."? And why does he?

*Sorry for the cropped PM quotes; org software be unfriendly to the task of directly quoting a quote. Arrgh.

Andres is up on the block, but the others of that vig team be highly suspect as well.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Kukri, I asked for volunteers in the thread.

[KukriKhan]

For a vig team?

To kill LG?

[LittleGrizzly]

Names...of...partners <-- obvious play if you are townie

2...plus...2...equals...4 <--obvious math

2 (me, woad) = 4 - 2 (not dead or about to be dead) <--- slightly more advanced math

I can't be revealing nothing as far as im aware (rules). Besides as it is why should they come forward now and why would woad name them.

Edit : Also ATPG im sure I suggested a few times we should concentrate on the mafia instead earlier but now its too late and apparently its down to a killer (probably not mafia) and an innocent... this why i think andres is the better lynch... It's for the benefit of the town and because my messing around put woad in this postion (feel guilty)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

For a vig team?

To kill LG?

Yes.

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I remember now, kung fu mafia was the game. LG, if you are really town, take a look at the other players response to the stranger getting himself lynched in the final round.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=84190&page=49

heheheh... you lost yourselves the game =D

people are wondering why i made up the role... well there is only one real reason... FUN... i was just looking for a bit of fun and a lil bit of laughing...

Though doing that at the beginning of the game is not nearly as annoying.

So you see, pushing a woad lynch still is really giving you the benefit of the doubt

[Diana Abnoba]

Vote: Abstain to keep the tie.

[LittleGrizzly]

I did fun within the role playing, I pretty much explained the thought process behind it earlier on. I figured it would be fairly obvious.

Also im like to point out I never came out with any claims of any roles or results of any kind, what was said in the pm conversation wasn't even dodgy at all and all i did was in a short space of time without any pressure tell a lie and admit it. I did not even gain votes and get lynched or have to defend myself from arguments in the thread... you directed my killing..

Don't get me wrong I don't think im blameless but you well jumped the gun and share a great deal of the guilt along with your vig team who went along with the idea... also the W&F lynch is a continuation of your terrible strategy so far a complete distraction for the town... in other words a bad move...

[Reenk Roink]

I remember now, kung fu mafia was the game. LG, if you are really town, take a look at the other players response to the stranger getting himself lynched in the final round.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=84190&page=49




Though doing that at the beginning of the game is not nearly as annoying.

So you see, pushing a woad lynch still is really giving you the benefit of the doubt

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

We don't know exactly what The Stranger did in Kung Fu Mafia (heeheeheeheeheeheeheehee)

...but what LittleGrizzly allegedly did here should warrant nothing like a banning from game (which is what we gleamed from the linked page...) (TUBBY TOAST!)

Acting scummy is a GREAT way to get Mafia not to kill you straight up so you may continue on in the game. You could even go as far (we won't but...) as to say that every pro-town player has an ethical obligation to find some way to get the Mafia not to kill him (and acting scummy is probably the best of these ways as far as behavior is concerned). (NUNU - OH NO!)

On the other hand, vig killing someone who will be shown innocent is a play out of the Bengals book. 1-15, 1-15... ()

Besides, scummy is such a poorly defined predicate in the first place (cue the people thinking that changing votes, third on the bandwagon, or lurking is scummy... ) that it means so little...

[Splitpersonality]

Vote: Abstain


I have no idea what's currently going on, but apparently there is a tie, so I will keep it alive.

[TinCow]

Again, I really must ask: Why would Sasaki risk his head just to destroy your reputation for 3 rounds and end your life, at the cost of his own life, if he were mafia? It's not even a valid WIFOM tactic because it's inherently self-destructive; at the very least gets him investigated. Even if he were wrong about you, do we compound that mistake with a second bad lynch? Every player knows that the most common reaction to someone leading a bad lynch on a townie is a reflexive lynch in retribution, or a vigilante kill. Utterly pointless behavior for a scumbag. If he were scum, he's on a road which has a dead end followed by a cliff, and there's no turnin' back. Why don't you RELAX and enjoy the fact that a scumbag gave his life to kill you? Surely that's a fair trade. In the meantime, we MIGHT be discussin' more LIKELY suspects fer bein' Brits or Maven crew.

To keep the discussion fair, I don't think Sasaki is really risking his life with this move. I honestly can't see a huge momentum to lynch him several days from now based on that vig kill, even if LG turns out to be innocent. There were plausible reasons for lynching/killing LG, and that will be enough to moot any move on Sasaki from that aspect... especially later in the game after the mafia killing rate has inevitably increased.

In a game this size, with a starting mafioso team of only three, a bold start would be a good strategy. Sasaki is nothing if not a good strategist. I'm not saying I believe Sasaki is scum by any means, but please don't go thinking that his current behavior is evidence of his innocence. This is way too early in the game to be marking anyone off as innocent. Every last person is still a suspect.

[KukriKhan]

So I guess I gotta search me own self to find the post where Sasaki wrote: "All and sundry, contact me to kill Lil Grizz, the liar, tonight."

What do we have here? 2 guys on the chopping block, er... plank. 1 of 'em pushed by an uncharacteristically chatty Sasaki (12% of this thread's content), with a bandwagon of guys who worked a vig team on n1, at Sasaki's direction.

Versus a populist move to question/attack Andres, an unabashedly bored member of that team, and supporter of a mutiny (that his boss, the only player to actually vote for a mutiny dictated (maybe?)) to kill a player/shipmate who tried to roleplay and joke.

And the defense of a n1 kill is some kinda reference to previous mafia games.

I dunno about the rest of my rum-swillin' shipmates, but that kinda ties it up fer me. The whole n1 vig crew outtah walk the plank, as far as I'm concerned.

If'n ya gotta case, present it. Let the crew decide. Doin' it on yer own undermines crew cohesion and mission accomplishment. An' makes teh crew look at'cha like sum kinda Brit or Mavenette er sumpin'.

[Double A]

Really, TinCow? That's very interesting...

FoS: GH

[Centurion1]

Vote Sasaki, you me boy are a scummy individual

this andres lynch makes no sense why vote andres when he was simply sasakis pawn. Why not cut the head off the snake instead of the tail end

[GeneralHankerchief]

The round will end in precisely one hour.

[Centurion1]

crap i bolded whole thing


Vote sasaki

[Askthepizzaguy]

To keep the discussion fair, I don't think Sasaki is really risking his life with this move. I honestly can't see a huge momentum to lynch him several days from now based on that vig kill, even if LG turns out to be innocent. There were plausible reasons for lynching/killing LG, and that will be enough to moot any move on Sasaki from that aspect... especially later in the game after the mafia killing rate has inevitably increased.

In a game this size, with a starting mafioso team of only three, a bold start would be a good strategy. Sasaki is nothing if not a good strategist. I'm not saying I believe Sasaki is scum by any means, but please don't go thinking that his current behavior is evidence of his innocence. This is way too early in the game to be marking anyone off as innocent. Every last person is still a suspect.

Oh, don't get me wrong, if there be one player bold/crazy/strange enough to do this and still be guilty/mafia, it be Sasaki. However. Someone will be double checking on Sasaki, or we are really gullible people. The one thing I might suggest is that Sasaki could be 100% townie in role, but not in spirit. Sort of like a recent Capo-something game I vaguely recall.

One can play as townie until they get recruited by the mafia, or one can play as mafia until they get recruited by the mafia. Sasaki would be wise enough to do the latter, seeing as participation is pretty much mandatory if you get turned.

Dang it, I'm going back to singin' me shanties in a moment. I grow tired of thinkin', when I don't even have a mug of ale in me hand.