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    BrownWings: AirViceMarshall Senior Member Furunculus's Avatar
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    Default Re: Dawn of a new EU - European Conservatives and Reformists Group springs into life

    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
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    *Asterixed for Furunculus, whose hands are no doubt itching to post 'That's all well and fine, Louis, but none of this applies to Britain'. I refer my honourable anti-EUist to Hobsbawm, 'Nations and Nationalism', for a sobering description of just how recent nations are, including the UK.
    but it doesn't, it simply doesn't.

    i have a feeling that the next six months will see cameron very vague on the EU:

    Tory sources suggested that if Lisbon was ratified when they came to power they could, instead of holding a referendum on the Treaty itself, stage a public vote on whether powers should be taken back from Brussels. The potential move was being dubbed a "blame it on Blair" plan.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Oh that's easy.

    USA - A world hyper-power which shapes the very world we live in, brought and instituted many operations from false-flag, CIA coups, installation of puppets, pretty much unrestraint power, dictating European (and world) policy and using Europe (and world) as its own pawns and installing 1984 mindset at home and aboard.

    USE - Something that doesn't exist, except on paper with a long way to go.
    the US only influenced european policy because at the time the worlds other superpower sat on their doorstep with hundreds of motor-rifle and armoured divisions facing west....................... while europe refused to pay for its own defence.
    Last edited by Furunculus; 10-04-2009 at 10:20.
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