you will just have to take my word for it
I wonder where that foriegn story you posted about the evil immigrant stealing a playstation in a burglary and robbing the poor dutch fell is?
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you will just have to take my word for it
I wonder where that foriegn story you posted about the evil immigrant stealing a playstation in a burglary and robbing the poor dutch fell is?
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I translated the Dutch article that Tellos Athenaios linked to for the Dutch-impaired among us.
I'm wondering:Astonishment over vacation of policemen and Maroccan youths
wednesday, 7 october 2009 07:55
The VVD and the PVV want an explanation for a trip to Spain taken by a police officer, a "youth cop" and some 'troublesome' Maroccan youths from Tegelen, Limburg. According to a cop the police went to Spain to get to know the youths on a different level.
The VVD and PVV wonder if any tax money was used for the trip to Costa Brava, reports the local newspaper De Limburger.
Personal relation
They've questioned minister Eberhard van der Laan about the issue (PvdA, Integration)
According to the police the trip was a success: crime is down in Tegelen. Additionally a "personal relationship" has been established with police officers.
Vandalism
"We weren't there as cops, but as human beings. You get to know eachother on a different level. It worked wonderfully." said one of the cops earlier in De Limburger.
The Maroccan youths in question caused a lot of nuisance and trashed police cars.
As of yet it's still unclear how many youths went on the trip and how long it took.
1) if it's generally not more cost-effective to arrest people, if you know that they cause nuisance and destroy police property
2) if crime was also low in the period after the youths returned from their trip
Last edited by Kralizec; 10-07-2009 at 21:37.
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what are you talking about and why isn't it on the list I still did not get. And are you actually having a good time when you laugh, comes across as not even nearly happypaddieOriginally Posted by Tribesman
I wonder where that foriegn story you posted about the evil immigrant stealing a playstation in a burglary and robbing the poor dutch fell is?
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good translation. You non-dutch should know that these people really are in charge we absolutely rock despite them.
Last edited by Fragony; 10-07-2009 at 22:13.
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So the spain trip is just a typical community relations exercise with young delinquents that is used commonly in the western world and has been for decades.
Not surprising that frag is having a fit over it, what a non-story
Edited out the part where you "technically" refrained from calling someone a liar after being warned not to do so. You really ought to get a foreign ministry job, Tribes, you have too much fun parsing language to a fair-the-well. SF
Last edited by Seamus Fermanagh; 10-08-2009 at 00:32.
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He's not laughing at you. Oh wait, yeah he is.
Move along
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I heard Denmark has a very effective justice system and very low re-offending rate.
Apparently, they have special towns/ghettos for inmates or something, with the idea of putting them in a high security but "normal" living environment opposed to a cage.
Anyone with more information or any idea what I am on about, please speak up.
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I know, isn't it great?!
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Yes, it's a bit like how Iceland was colonised.
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Taken from http://penal-system.suite101.com/art..._prison_system
Prison is a last Resort in Denmark
The Danish justice system is based on rehabilitation rather than punishment. Writing in The New Statesman (September 4, 2006) Nick Pearce reported that Denmark “does all it can to keep people out of jail, and once there, to prepare them for life back in the community. Its sentences are short, but its re-offending rates far lower. In Denmark, prison appears to work for the right reasons.”
In his 2005 book, “Prisons and Prison Systems,” Michael P. Roth writes that Denmark’s modern penal code can be traced back to 1930, when corporal and capital punishment were abolished, as well imprisonment at hard labour.”
The average Danish prison sentence is just 6.2 months, with just two percent of Danish prisoners spending more than two years in jail.
Life in Ringe State Prison
On an island called Funen in the central part of Denmark is the Ringe State Prison. This is where Danes who have committed serious crimes such as murder and armed robbery are sent.”
In a monograph “After Prison: The Case for Offender Reintegration” published online by the Institute for Security Studies, Ringe is described as having “as its first priority the preparation of inmates to live as normal members of society after their release. There are no bars or armoured glass, although it is a closed maximum security prison surrounded by an inconspicuous enclosing wall and equipped with a sophisticated video surveillance system.”
Nick Pearce, who visited the prison, wrote that, “Prisoners live in small units with communal kitchens…Ringe is a mixed-sex prison and married couples live in a special wing. Children can live with their parents in prison until the age of three. Sex between inmates is permitted if wardens are convinced that the relationship is serious.”
Does Denmark’s Justice System Work?
The hardliners of the lock-‘em-up-and-throw-away-the-key school scoff at Denmark’s lenient approach to criminal justice. However, it seems to work. On July 2, 2003 Dan Damon reported for BBC News that, “While 55 percent of British prisoners will re-offend and come back to jail, in Denmark the re-offending rate is just 27 percent.”
In my opinion, this is a left-wing Socialist style Prison system. However, in this theory and what I hear, it doesn't sound bad.
Last edited by Beskar; 10-07-2009 at 23:58.
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being treated on a trip to the costa brava for burning police-cars, yeah that is not idiotic. and where did I lie, first it is a lie and when it, as always, true, it's a non-story. our parlement doesn't think it is, and so do I. Stop lying about me lying, prove me wrong instead, or pay me that visit you promised me years ago, gave you my adress but you never showed up, all talk.So the spain trip is just a typical community relations exercise with young delinquents that is used commonly in the western world and has been for decades.
Not surprising that frag is having a fit over it, what a non-story
Edited out the part where you "technically" refrained from calling someone a liar after being warned not to do so. You really ought to get a foreign ministry job, Tribes, you have too much fun parsing language to a fair-the-well. SF
Last edited by Fragony; 10-08-2009 at 07:06.
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I am trying to follow this conversation but all the posts look the same:
"RAH! RAH! RAH! RAH! LEFTISTS KILLIN MAH COUNTRY! RAH! RAH! RAH! RAH!"
"RAH! RAH! RAH! RAH! KRAZY CONSERVZ THINKIN THEY KNOW BETTAH THEN TEH GOV'MENT BOUT SCI-ETY! RAH! RAH! RAH! RAH!"
Last edited by Banquo's Ghost; 10-08-2009 at 08:39. Reason: Corrected unfortunate typo
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OK - I think the thread title also sums up my view on how this "discussion" unfortunately developed.
Closed
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