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    As Baktria:

    - build mines, you can become the richest eastern kingdom, conquer India (there are mines too)
    - make Saka Rauka and Pahlava your allies (they will betray you, especially on VH, but it can earn you some time and you won't fight all three at one time or it will happen only after you are superpower), don't conquer Antiochia Margiane and Marakanda, it just provokes Saka
    - fight against Seleucids first they have better cities, let nomads be, archery duels and steppe battles cost you men and thus money, you need money for mines, battles with Seleucids could be won with minor casualties.
    - in cities that are frequently attacked build stone walls, but not the largest ones (with those enemy gets towers with balistae), train huge garrison of slingers and archers, sally in each turn of siege, slingers can kill enemy general from walls, have HAs or skirmisher cav. in cities to provoke enemy to come into range of your archers on walls
    archers:
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    Persian archers - your basic archer, good range, attack, 25 arrows,
    Persian archer spearmen - only a little weaker, but can stand longer in melee, another basic unit, cheaper than previous
    Indian longbowmen - powerful attack, sadly few arrows (15), but their sword is a deadly weapon and they make one of the best soldiers in cities defence, they are more light infantry with bows
    Subeshi, Persian heavy archers - 35 arrows, very long range, high attack you can get them in northern/southern cities in regional barracks


    Your late bodyguards are monsters, they eat hetairoi and Seleukid bodyguards for breakfast, Pahlavan and Saka cataphracts are inferior to them, can cause routing on first charge, especially if you have FM with 50 bodyguards (on large)

    You DON'T NEED cataphracts, elephants, elites, train them only after you become rich. Few phalanxes, bodyguards, cheaper HAs, archers, light infantry (baktrian and eastern axemen) and light/medium cavalry (Kambojas, Baktrians) are enough to win early battles

    With mines established, India conquered, elephants, cataphracts, guild warriors and elite HAs, you are the greatest and richest empire in the world with unstopable armies.
    Last edited by Andronikos; 10-09-2009 at 23:08. Reason: wrote Alexandreia Eschate instead of Marakanda



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    Quote Originally Posted by Andronikos View Post
    You DON'T NEED cataphracts, elephants, elites, train them only after you become rich.
    Recruiting those into every noteable army is a question of prestige and honour!

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    Quote Originally Posted by schlappi View Post
    Recruiting those into every noteable army is a question of prestige and honour!
    Train them only if they're effective.

    For instance, as Makedonia, I don't bother my arse training Hypaspists, but I take careful note to train Hetairoi. Hypaspists are only good at holding lines, and phalanx units do it better.
    Hetairoi are monsters at breaking lines, and there aren't many units in ANY faction better at doing that, never mind within the Mak faction.

    A word of warning against Elephants.
    They're crap, 'cause they're vunerable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishHitman View Post
    A word of warning against Elephants.
    They're crap, 'cause they're vunerable.
    And also bloody expensive,.



    I didn't do this. It were all them Mak lovers wot dun it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Polska View Post
    And also bloody expensive,.
    Indeed.
    They're the least cost-effective unit in the game, in my opinion.
    Μηδεν εωρακεναι φoβερωτερον και δεινοτερον φαλλαγγος μακεδονικης

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishHitman View Post
    Indeed.
    They're the least cost-effective unit in the game, in my opinion.
    Keep them reserved in battle. Fear factor that elephants provides is worth it for the civilized faction.

    Not to mention the gate breaking abilities.

    In battle, keep them till mid game. When the battle starts stagnating, get the elephants on the right (or left hand side) of the enemy and drive them cross the battle lines. That should rout them all.

    I like the elephants. They do have some nifty tricks.


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    I let my old campaign be and started a fresh one. I tried to learn from my mistakes and I can humbly say it worked well (M/M). For starters, I made peace with S-R, left the A-S alone for a few years, DID not attack Taksashila as soon as possible and did not build mines. I conquered the rebel provinces in the East and went down to Alexandropolis. Somewhere in the middle I took Marakanda but not Alexander-Eschate and built up my strength. The crazy ptolomean envoy helped my war-torn economy by signing a peace treaty worth 14000 mnai :-) On another note, I found it really difficult in attacking Taksashila early in the game, I made something comletely different. At some point in the game I got into contact with the Seleucid, it was inevitable after all, and battled my way into Anticipation-City (can't remember the greek name) and then Aria.

    What helped a lot was having the Pahlava as an ally for a few turns anyway, turned out that nomad blood (Saka declared war) is thicker than a long standing alliance, because the Horse Empire pinned down several legions of A-S phalanxes. The Pani took Hekatompylos and blocked A-R from engaging me directly. This opened the road for a deep strike mission into the persepolis valley. From Aria, I sent Diodotus I. to accomplish the task and he was up to it. Only then did I sent an expeditionary force under Zolios, soon to become Indarchos, to subjugate India...from south to north. I have to say that this was, so far, the most interesting part of the game. Reading the info on the indian buildings, just reminded me on the wondrous game the people from EB have made. It is all in their, the flava, the effort, the historicity...chapeau! sorry I digress. Back to the game proper.

    So as I was saying, I got tired of the damn horse attacks from Saka and gradually conquered his provinces, where I, and here I sadly have to admit I did not learn from prior experience (the crebral cortex must have lost this bit of info :-/) got stuck with a lot of veteran units upholding the law in Chighu. To make a long story short, the Saka are now restricted to one province.

    I started to attack the Pahlva after the Seleucid lost A-Margiane first to rebels and then to the Pani. But a bolding plan evolved, and instead of attacking the obvious I started to attack Asaak. In quick succession the Pani lost Margiane, Nisa, Khiva and finally Hekatompylos. Now they are on the verge of being a rarity on hunting parties. All this could only be done with the help of the veterans from the first Ghandaran infantry unit and the Black Lancers.

    Now I stand at the crossroads to either mob up the nomads in the north or continue my ancient feud with the Seleucid over a scarf which Alexandros probably wore. I'm also eager to kick the Ptolomeans right in their huge football-like forehead and let my people go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefy187 View Post
    Keep them reserved in battle. Fear factor that elephants provides is worth it for the civilized faction.

    Not to mention the gate breaking abilities.

    In battle, keep them till mid game. When the battle starts stagnating, get the elephants on the right (or left hand side) of the enemy and drive them cross the battle lines. That should rout them all.

    I like the elephants. They do have some nifty tricks.
    Elephants get fried alive if you try to use them on any decent city...
    Μηδεν εωρακεναι φoβερωτερον και δεινοτερον φαλλαγγος μακεδονικης

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