No more global warming?

[InsaneApache]

Well the eco nutjobs didn't help their cause with the 'hockey stick', did they?

Then there's Lords Melchitt and Porrit who want to limit/reduce the human population to sustainable levels.

So I say, let's bring it on. Pump as much CO2 into the atmosphere as you can manage. Paint the poles jet black. Get your electric fire outside and on full bore. Get that temperature up guys.

Then when the ice cap melts and releases all that water, drowning a significant amount of people, we can reduce our carbon footprint for those that are left. The greens will be happy and so will I. I live atop a mountain.

Jobs a good 'un.

[Furunculus]

The amount of anthropogenic warming has been overstated.
The amount of anthropogenic warming from CO2 has been greatly overstated.

This directly results from Louis's deductive method when applied to a complex system where the record is uncertain, and the model is poorly understood.

The computer model looks at x amount of past warming, along with y concentration of CO2, and extrapolates z amount of future warming, and yet people are surprised when the model doesn't work because they refuse to recognise the contribution of a, b, and c to natural climate variation.

none of which means that i do not believe their could be catastrophic climate change in our near future, but it does mean that i believe spending trillions worrying about CO2 is an utter waste.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Paint the poles jet black.

Seems a bit drastic. Why not the russians, there's lots more of them?

[Aemilius Paulus]

Seems a bit drastic. Why not the russians, there's lots more of them?

Wrong, our population is falling too quickly, whereas the Poles are falling at a slower rate.

As for the apparent growing scepticism of global warming in .Org, I will however have to point out that the Arctic icecap is melting, and that is highly abnormal, as it has never done so for millions of years, not since the time before the First Ice Age.

[Furunculus]

my skepticism has been on the IPCC4 'consensus' and it has remained pretty consistant.

the only firm opinion on polar icecaps, is that we've had one for 700,000 years, and maybe longer...............

whereas the number of glacial/interglacial periods is huge, even over the tiny period of 5.5m years as covered by the sediment record.

[Hooahguy]

the graphs, charts and predictions regarding global warming are a farce. there are so many factors regarding the climate change that even if there was a .0001 change in one factor it would drastically change the graph.
or so says my calc professor.

[LittleGrizzly]

Im sure we predict stuff with close to as many variable as global warming in other areas too... I bet the other one hasn't got a well funded campaign denying it either..

I think Louis put it quite well earlier....

The world is getting warmer...

more CO2 in the atmosphere makes it warmer (by letting less heat escape)

We pump loads of CO2 into the atmosphere...

Man made acceleration of global warming proven at grade school level

[Furunculus]

Im sure we predict stuff with close to as many variable as global warming in other areas too... I bet the other one hasn't got a well funded campaign denying it either..

I think Louis put it quite well earlier....
The world is getting warmer...
more CO2 in the atmosphere makes it warmer (by letting less heat escape)
We pump loads of CO2 into the atmosphere...

Man made acceleration of global warming proven at grade school level

you are obviously no geologist, climate is the archtype of the complex system.

and most of the problems that have been identified thus far with the IPCC are precisely because mechanisms that have previously been not understood were understandably ignored when when using computers to model potential outputs from the known inputs.

that's the problem with the AGW fanbase, too many of them are obviously grade school.

[rvg]

Screw graphs, they don't show anything tangible.

However, this does: http://www.spiegel.de/international/...434356,00.html

Global warming *is* happening.

[Furunculus]

Screw graphs, they don't show anything tangible.

However, this does: http://www.spiegel.de/international/...434356,00.html

Global warming *is* happening.

frankly, at the rate in advancement of the understanding of climate science any news article from 2006 is going to get short shrift from me.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Screw graphs, they don't show anything tangible.

However, this does: http://www.spiegel.de/international/...434356,00.html

Global warming *is* happening.

People being able to farm in greenland sounds like a good thing

A lot of the polluting is being done by india and china as they industrialize right? Now show me a climate scientist who can say whether the increased quality of life that has resulted from that is worth the resulting pollution/global warming.

Having climate scientists make policy recommendations is like having neuroscientists counsel the mentally ill.

Most of the left would rather argue that global warming is occuring than about whether cash for clunkers was the best use of the money as far as reducing global warming it seems.

I don't mind the feel good stuff the green movement does, although the moralizing can be annoying. I guess I have faith in technological progress and the fact that enough smart people are working on it.

[Lord Winter]

As I see it, even if global warming is overstated there are still other benifits from fighting it besides a lower amount of CO2. Lowering emmissions will increase air quality, public transportation will also do the same as well as being a massive convienence to the population. I think everyone also agrees that we should move away from fossial fuels even if global warming wasn't happening. I don't see how one could argue against any of these as worthy goals.

@Hooah I wouldn't call a calc professor a reliable source on global warming. Complelty different subjects.

[Hooahguy]

@Hooah I wouldn't call a calc professor a reliable source on global warming. Complelty different subjects.

not necessarily about climate change, but on the validity of the predictions. the fact is, you cant predict these things.