Pirate Ship Mafia [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am wondering why there was no long-winded killer. No english kill. No conversion. Nothing.

[pevergreen]

It would be a remarkably swift destruction of the British if they have been killed off.

I'm having trouble keeping myself hydrated.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Analysis or drunken ranting, not sure which, in spoiler:

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We know there are 2 mavens dead. There's never been any writeup indicating that they recruited. And we've suspected they have been doing the solo long-winded kills. So perhaps the maven was investigating last night, trying desperately to find recruits. Or he died. Now we see 1 British known dead out of 5. But there's been many deaths since Scottishranger. It is possible that he was starting British and the other two starting British died, resulting in Yaseikhaan's death. CountArach was the last something, given Yaseikhaan's reaction in the write-up which talks about giving something up, and justice. Not very "Maven" behavior. Given the Mavens never had a visible recruitment, it's doubtful that they recruited, especially if you consider their gold restriction and the fact that we chalked up the long-winded kills to the Maven after Sigurd and gibsonsg91921's death, and the Maven wouldn't have been able to investigate or recruit while doing that. That leaves the British faction likely dead, and the Maven investigating last night for recruits or part of the vigilante group that killed the last British. If both factions were somehow dead and the game continues it would likely be the Blunderbuss killer (who was not killing last night either...) or any of the secret roles (which are less than secret at this point). Unless I am overlooking something the game seems to have taken a turn for the worse for the anti-town factions. And this isn't just based on pevergreen, who I'm dead certain is just having a good bit of fun with us, but based on the evidence. There's another option: I am having delusions of grandeur and psychotic hallucinations. I am seriously considering this as a likely scenario that explains everything.

Oh and for you anti-reading types: Here's the short version:

Brits= none, Maven= one, Serial killer not killing, or.... I am a buffoon.

[White_eyes:D]

But wasn't there two guys recruited to the Brits?

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"I have far more authority than the captain," the second man said in a menacing whisper. "I have the power vested in me by the English crown to arrest you, throw you overboard right now, and go after everyone you love and give them an even more horrifying fate."

This finally woke the first man up. He couldn't do this. He may have been a bloodthirsty pirate, but he still had a soft spot for his loved ones.

"What... what do I do?"

"I am offering you a letter of Marque. Accept it, and work with us. Destroy this foolish ship and its crew. Do this and I promise you leniency, plus a well-paying job and the support of the Crown instead of the opposition of it. What say you?"

He was a good man, had done his part in Charleston and numerous missions before that. He didn't deserve to be another one of the countless men who had simply disappeared at night, claimed by the angry sea.

"Would you accept an offer by the Crown in order to reclaim the valuables of Charleston in exchange for your freedom?"

The sailor nodded once again, his horizons quickly adjusted. The kidnapper finally extended a hand and pulled up his new accomplice. The sailor walked with him back below deck, chatting business. He had helped pull off the steal of the decade from Charleston; he would now work to give it all back.

We either Lynched a recruit and it doesn't say....or we messed something...
"Long Tailed Killer" has been killing since night 2-4....he stopped or was stopped...

[Beskar]

If Sasaki was a Brit, lol.

[Captain Blackadder]

This is excellent news we only have to find a few of the Marven to win the game for all us pirates and we get to keep the booty

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well while we are waiting for the investigation results, how about some pointless accusations?

I accuse Double A. I never trust a man who has a stunt double.

vote: Double A

[TinCow]

But wasn't there two guys recruited to the Brits?

This is indeed odd. I've double-checked the write-ups. These were the recruitings:

Night 2 - British conversion - Says "I have the power vested in me by the English crown to..."

Night 4 - British conversion - Says "Would you accept an offer by the Crown in order to..."

Only two recruits in the game and only 1 suicide. So, we must've lynched a convert at some point. Up through the Night/Day 4 results, we have lynched or killed 2 Mavens and 1 Brit. Notice that 'khaan specifically names CountArach when he dies, which means CA was a Brit as well. That leaves 1 Brit and 1 Brit recruit dead from the following list:

Diana Abnoba, pevergren, ricera10, Sasaki Kojiro

My money is on pevergreen/Sasaki.

[White_eyes:D]

Narrowed down the original Brits...
scottishranger (Confirmed)
CountArach (Must have been him..)
ricera10 or Sasaki Kojiro (Not sure which....but one of the two lynched was a Brit)

I am thinking TinCow could be the last Maven.....but perhaps that is WAY too obvious, as I am sure he has been investigated...

[Subotan]

Only two recruits in the game and only 1 suicide. So, we must've lynched a convert at some point. This is pretty strong evidence that Sasaki was a Brit, btw.

As well as the other two Brits, (Ricera? Sasaki?)

[TinCow]

As well as the other two Brits, (Ricera? Sasaki?)

Edited my post after I wrote that, see above.

[Death is yonder]

Vote: Abstain

[pevergreen]

No don't lynch TC. He was just the innocent townie accompanying a maven and a brit in a vig group. Plus Andres.

Who's the maven? Who's the brit?

I think ATPG named me correctly.

[Askthepizzaguy]

British: scottishranger, CountArach, khaan, Sasaki, ricera. (last two are good bets)- All a moot point anyway now that they are gone.

Maven: gibsonsg91921, Sigurd...


There's data which suggests the following are not Maven due to various reasons, up to and including: suggested pro-town status, proven incorruptibility, deep investigation, investigation of non-killing activity during mafia kills, investigation of protection activity during mafia kills, vigilantism during a mafia kill, and investigated inactivity during mafia kills.

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Askthepizzaguy
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
Seamus Fermanagh
shlin28
Captain Blackadder
Death is Yonder
taka
Cultured Drizzt Fan
White_eyes:D
KukriKhan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Beskar
Centurion1
slashandburn
Yaropolk
Reenk Roink
TinCow
A1 Unit
Chaotix
Lord Winter
Double A

I am more sure about the top of the list than the bottom.

SSNeoperestroika
a completely inoffensive name
Joooray
Khazaar
miotas
Psychonaut
Subotan
A Very Super Market

Of these, I am thinking one could be a Maven. However this is my rough guess, not a detailed analysis. Remember that the remaining Maven is still the starting Maven, and therefore could NOT be doing anything besides killing on the nights where there was a long-winded Maven solo kill.

As such, and given SSN's recent voting behavior, I'm going to go with perhaps... Psychonaut.

unvote, vote: Psychonaut.

Unless someone can account for his behavior during nights where there was a maven kill.

[TinCow]

I'm not positive the Blunderbuss killer is anti-town or a serial killer. He has only killed Andres and pevergreen. That strikes me more as an attempt to stop the vig attacks.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I also believe the Blunderbuss is a good guy. I believe the storytelling solo killer is the real threat.

[Joooray]

SSNeoperestroika
a completely inoffensive name
Joooray
Khazaar
miotas
Psychonaut
Subotan
A Very Super Market

Of these, I am thinking one could be a Maven. However this is my rough guess, not a detailed analysis. Remember that the remaining Maven is still the starting Maven, and therefore could NOT be doing anything besides killing on the nights where there was a long-winded Maven solo kill.

As such, and given SSN's recent voting behavior, I'm going to go with perhaps... Psychonaut.

unvote, vote: Psychonaut.

Unless someone can account for his behavior during nights where there was a maven kill.

I have been in protection groups every night, but the person we protected was never actually attacked so I can't really prove my participation. I just hope the whole issue with LG and w&f speaks for itself and clears me of being starting scum.

From the list of yours, ATPG, there were two who I thought were acting odd. Psycho and Subotan, it's just one of those infamous gut feelings and no real foundation to it.
So I will go with Vote: Subotan for now. Just don't wanna be accused of joining or starting a bandwagon.

[CountArach]

Darn.



Zero tolerance - S.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ CountArach-

If it's any consolation, I had figured the remaining English were in pt groups that hadn't had their target attacked, but i hadn't narrowed it down from there. I was personally a ways off from picking you.

I have been in protection groups every night, but the person we protected was never actually attacked so I can't really prove my participation. I just hope the whole issue with LG and w&f speaks for itself and clears me of being starting scum.

You know I had almost forgotten about that point. That's a pretty fair alibi, methinks.

Ok I get that AVSM, Subotan, and Miotas were protecting ACIN. But what was ACIN doing?

I have nothing on ACIN whatsoever. No pt groups, no vigilante hits, no alibi. Was he in the four horsemen?

[TinCow]

There's data which suggests the following are not Maven due to various reasons, up to and including: suggested pro-town status, proven incorruptibility, deep investigation, investigation of non-killing activity during mafia kills, investigation of protection activity during mafia kills, vigilantism during a mafia kill, and investigated inactivity during mafia kills.

ATPG, for the above list I do not think "proven incorruptibility" should be a reason for disqualifying someone as a suspect. The starting mafioso almost certainly all show up as incorruptible. IIRC Sigurd did, and there's no reason to assume that would be different for anyone else, especially a fellow Maven.

[Beskar]

Vote: ACIN

As I said number of times, he has been acting scummy. From refusing to work in protection groups, to being protected by people, but not being in any groups.

Since I know every pro-town role, I know you are not one of them.

Better speak up, or I suggest people joining me on a bandwagon, no point investigating him three times.

[scotchedpommes]

So, we've gutted the English like fish wi'out sustaining so much as a scratch? Ha. Get that up ye, Georgie boy.

This calls for a drink.

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG, for the above list I do not think "proven incorruptibility" should be a reason for disqualifying someone as a suspect. The starting mafioso almost certainly all show up as incorruptible. IIRC Sigurd did, and there's no reason to assume that would be different for anyone else, especially a fellow Maven.

By that I mean investigated to tier three as innocent and then made officer, such as myself and Louis.

[Subotan]

From the list of yours, ATPG, there were two who I thought were acting odd. Psycho and Subotan, it's just one of those infamous gut feelings and no real foundation to it.

Odd in what way?

So I will go with Vote: Subotan for now. Just don't wanna be accused of joining or starting a bandwagon.

..Except that's exactly what you have done.

[TinCow]

Odd in what way?


..Except that's exactly what you have done.

One vote does not a bandwagon make. Odd that you think it does.

Mind telling us what you've been up to every night?

[Askthepizzaguy]

By the way I can prove beyond any doubt that I am not the remaining mafia.

Due to my QM role I can throw any of you in the brig tonight that I please. If anyone needs to be convinced that's what I'm up to at night, a night in the slammer followed by quarter rations for a week might convince you I'm innocent...

...and that you're guilty of something.

[CountArach]

Plus side of my death: I can now get to work on some rules for my mafia game... WATCH THIS SPACE.

[pevergreen]

You're after the wrong people.

I smell something to do with wine.

[Andres]

ATPG, for the above list I do not think "proven incorruptibility" should be a reason for disqualifying someone as a suspect. The starting mafioso almost certainly all show up as incorruptible. IIRC Sigurd did, and there's no reason to assume that would be different for anyone else, especially a fellow Maven.

Interesting.

We only need to get the original mafiosi, right?

This means we don't need to bother with lynching those who came up as corruptible upon investigation.

[pevergreen]

Oooer.

I now have a foolproof way to check if a person is corruptible or not without investigation.