Are you Conservative or Liberal?
(By popular demand)
I am Conservative by far.
And apparently I can't spell Conservative X)
Conservatvce or Liberal
Are you Conservative or Liberal?
(By popular demand
I am Conservative by far.
And apparently I can't spell Conservative X)
Last edited by Zain; 10-16-2009 at 03:56.
Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
Define. I consider myself a conservative, but not a CDU-conservative, rather a free market and libertarian conservative, which actually aligns me more closely with the liberal FDP (though not by much).
Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
Isn't it kind of dumbed down to only have 2 options to explain ones political stand.
Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
Also, he is talking about American politics as well.
Conservative - crazy insane christian warmongering zealots full of tax cuts no regulation and loves croynism and corperatism.
Liberal - Wallstreet suit who wants croynism and corperatism as well, but they want no regulation on drugs so they can get smoke a joint while doing stocks and shares.
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Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
Frack (BSG swearing is allowed, right?) I am not liberal - why did I choose that option. But neither am I conservative
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Meh, forget this...
Last edited by Aemilius Paulus; 10-16-2009 at 04:55.
Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
You made the same thread twice, why?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=122479
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Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
Read the OP, he said by "popular demand". I think it was because of my post, which pointed out that everything in Europe is shifted to the left, so very few Europeans would rather agree with US Republican policies. Plus, GOP vs Dems is simply so America-centric. In the multi-national, rather diverse Backroom.Originally Posted by Beskar
Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
No, that's libertarians.
Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
i am offended that you did not capitalize the L. Small l libertarians such as myself despise cronyismNo, that's libertarians.
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In American politics, similar to British politics, we have a choice between being shot in our left testicle or the right testicle. Both parties advocate pissing on the little guys, only in different ways and to a different little guy.
Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
The content of the term 'conservative' varies from country to country. Same with 'liberal'. Obviously I am not going to vote.
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Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
Socialist.
Or social-democrat, if you prefer...
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Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
I'm one of those people that might appear conservative if I filled in a multi-choice quiz today, but in fact my ideas would really be quite radical and reactionary for the society I live in... kind of like Hitler I guess.
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
With the two choices presented I went with liberal(I rarely go for Gah, but maybe should have) but I agree it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, if your country is already liberal and you want it to stay that way, that would make you a conservative and a liberal at the same time...
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Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
This topic doesn't make sense. I suggest you check EMFM's Political Leaning of Members. It's not perfect (as in very US-centric and simplistic) but I still can give you a broad overview of many members' political views.
Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
No, that's Lolbertarians.No, that's libertarians.
Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
That's a rather crude way of looking at it. Europe is not "shifted to the left" any more than America is shifted to the "right", though one has to wonder how your Protestant ruling class became so militaristic and conservative.
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Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
Radical Social Democrat, so neither of those positions are suitable.
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Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
Please explain what is "Radical Social Democrat"?
Do you mean you are a fierce Social-Democrat, or do support some Radical Social-Democratism (e.g. conventional Socialism?)
BLARGH!
Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
Wouldn't a Radical Social Democract be a Democratic Socialist?
Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
I find my political philosphy to go from one extreme to the other.
In general, I believe the well-educated individual will always make better choices about their behavior and their finances than any well-intentioned government ever could. I believe in non-interventionist foreign policies because I respect the sovereignty of places even like North Korea and Iran, and consider the overthrow of Kim Jong-Il (or Saddam Hussein) a matter for North Koreans (or Iraqis), not well intentioned Americans.
That being said, experience and knowledge of the world has proven to me that the ideal I list above, orginally articulated by my hero Alexander Hamilton, is probably unattainable.
All I have to do is read a story about the widespread abuses women, children and the elderly suffer in our society, and I could easily become a Leninist, minus the ban on religion. Are there any collectivist-authoritarian-Christian ideologies out there? If somebody says "Lords' Resistance Army" they're going to get a fat lip.... That's not at all what I mean.
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Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
As I have posted at length in other threads, "conservative" and "liberal" are so abused in American politics that they are often used to describe the polar opposite of their, you know, meaning. When someone describes himself as a "conservative," I usually think, "Good luck with whatever you mean when you say that." The same for self-described liberals. The words have lost all meaning.
Second the reference to EMFM's thread. Until you go issue-by-issue, it's very hard to get a real grip on another person's politics.
Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
For one, not "your", as I am not an American citizen :P. Secondly, why not? Europe is greatly more liberal and leftist than US. Its political spectrum is slanted towards the left in comparison to US. What part of that is not correct?
Last edited by Aemilius Paulus; 10-16-2009 at 17:45.
Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
do you mean like the numerous communes of christians that live under some form of 'traditional' social structure, living off of crops that they grow and selling the excess at farmer's markets?
these people always give me the creeps when i buy their lettuce..
http://www.themorningstarranch.org/
now i'm here, and history is vindicated.
Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
I can't place myself as either. I support conservative government spending yet liberal government regulation of business. I support in general a more libertarian view so I want liberal gun laws and such. I feel people should be free to have abortions, I support euthanasia for people that want it. Instead of social engineering I'd rather recognize that environment and upbringing do affect people and so set high standards for kids in school in math, english, and sciences. I'm very conservative toward immigration and believe that it should be tightly controlled and only foreigners in key fields should be allowed to immigrate as well as support a very strict enforcement against illegal immigrants. I think drugs such as marijuana should be legal and that users or people in possesion of hard drugs within a certain small quantity should be fined and put in rehab programs while dealers and producers of harder drugs should be locked away forever with no probation.
So I don't know, I still think of myself as a moderate for the most part.
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Stage four, we say maybe there was something we could have done, but it's too late now.
Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
Catholic Church.
Last edited by Beskar; 10-16-2009 at 19:57.
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Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
I thought you was a Libertarian Socialist like myself?
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Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
Social democrat. Thanks for including that option and many, many others on the poll, Zain.
Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
Ideally, yes. That's pretty much where the radical side of it comes in. Basically I support a heavily reformed Democracy that is more Participatory and inclusive, and which would implement Socialism insofar as a state can. At that point an activist and radical working class can destroy what the state cannot, and take power for themselves.
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Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
Oh Man!
A proliferation of polls!
I am Conservative enough to want to conserve what is good and Liberal enough to want to reform what is bad.
Would I use one of those titles? Not anymore!
I don’t trust the people trying to tell me what is good or what is bad, I pretty much know that already.
I am a believer in the quote, who ever said it, and it is attributed to several, and I will paraphrase;
If you are not a socialist at age 20 you have no heart, but if you are still a socialist at age 40 you have no brain.
Last edited by Fisherking; 10-17-2009 at 08:00.
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and conceals from the stupid,
the vast limits of their knowledge.
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Re: Conservatvce or Liberal
Do you really want me to list all of the Christian Cults that believe in a Collectivist-Authoritarian-Christian Ideology?
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