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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    Ok, the Bible is not "fiction", it is not written for enjoyment; it is either genuine or forgery, or some conflation of the two. To consider it fiction, however, is to miss the point of the text entirely.
    To those who are not Christian it is in the same mythos band as Thor, Zeus, Aztec Sun Gods etc. Just because the believers are sincere does not make it fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    This also very much misses the point. The Bible is cast as a text authored (at least in part) by God. God is constant and eternal, His word, His mind, His LAW, does not change; EVER. So, if there are inconsistancies in the Bible they cannot be the result of divine authorship.

    This is a foundational principle of Christianity, God is never wrong and therefore never changes his mind.

    If you are actually interested in the Bible you have to at least try to appreciate it in its own context.
    Assuming there is a god:
    But his law has changed multiple times from NT to OT, so how can it be assumed that it does not? His word would be the universe made whole, and that is not a constant, it is an ever changing system. Consistency does not conflict with change. Having a consistent plan does not require repeating the same action over and over again. The law changes to meet the demands of the followers.

    For instance OT has Ten Commandments. NT replaces/updates them with the likes of Do unto others and you would have them do to you.

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    Assuming there isn't:
    Can't really sell a lifestyle system if the people won't follow it. Most religions adapt over time to the knowledge and desires of its peoples. They go from spirit in everything worship, to animal worship, to animal-people worship, to pantheon to a few to a single entity. The religions also tend to get less structured. To strict covenants and not mixing with other people to come all ye faithful lets eat another shrimp on the barbie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio View Post
    For instance OT has Ten Commandments. NT replaces/updates them with the likes of Do unto others and you would have them do to you.
    The NT does not replace the moral law. Jesus did the whole dying on the cross thing because we kept failing to live by the law.

    Some advice that was given by leaders/prophets etc in the OT to the Jewish people as guideliness for civil order, was later replaced by Jesus own advice on what was morally correct (eg with 'eye for an eye' -> 'turn the other cheek').
    At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio View Post
    To those who are not Christian it is in the same mythos band as Thor, Zeus, Aztec Sun Gods etc. Just because the believers are sincere does not make it fact.
    Did you know that the majoriety of Greek worshippers and philosophers did not believe the stories told in the Theogeny, or the divine elements of the Iliad etc.?

    Assuming there is a god:
    But his law has changed multiple times from NT to OT, so how can it be assumed that it does not?
    No, the Laws recorded in the Old Testemant has been changed by the priests, and prophets. Only the Ten Commandments represent a direct giving of Law to humanity by God, which is why they are followed by Christians as well as Jews.

    His word would be the universe made whole, and that is not a constant, it is an ever changing system.
    This is occasionalism, but mainstream Christianity asigns the universe an operative autonomy. As you say, it is a system, and the system itself has apparently always functioned in the same way. The Laws of the universe are assumed to be constant.

    It is, after all, no co-incidence that the Laws of Motion were proposed first by a Cambridge Theologian.

    Consistency does not conflict with change. Having a consistent plan does not require repeating the same action over and over again. The law changes to meet the demands of the followers.
    God's Law is unchanging, because it is a universal constant. God's Law is the definition of Right and Wrong, truth and lies.

    Anyway, you've contradicted yourself. Either God is constant in his purpose, or he is not.

    For instance OT has Ten Commandments. NT replaces/updates them with the likes of Do unto others and you would have them do to you.
    No it doesn't. What the New Testemant does is change the way human law relates to Divine Law, henceforth a Man's actions are judged by his intent and he cannot make a cash payment for his Sins.

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    Assuming there isn't:
    Can't really sell a lifestyle system if the people won't follow it. Most religions adapt over time to the knowledge and desires of its peoples. They go from spirit in everything worship, to animal worship, to animal-people worship, to pantheon to a few to a single entity. The religions also tend to get less structured. To strict covenants and not mixing with other people to come all ye faithful lets eat another shrimp on the barbie.
    Assuming there isn't, life doesn't really make sense, because the universe should be a lot more vicious and miserable than it is.
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