How realistic are elephants going rampage all the time?

**mountaingoat** · 10-22-2009, 01:57

would be nice to add some kind of modifier when charging certain units from the front ... maybe +100 defense so the cav charge will be wiped out and routed.

**Cute Wolf** · 10-22-2009, 02:03

No... I think we should try to give "frighten_mounted" ability to spearmen

**ziegenpeter** · 10-22-2009, 08:34

Originally Posted by mountaingoat

would be nice to add some kind of modifier when charging certain units from the front ... maybe +100 defense so the cav charge will be wiped out and routed.

Thats not what we were talking about, I guess. Horses WOULD'NT charge into a polearms formation, they'd try to turn away before. That should be included. Of course because of the sheer mass, some of these miserable ponies would get pushed into the pikes nevertheless

**mountaingoat** · 10-22-2009, 08:38

i meant that as an example , instead of adding something to the engine.

if the engine was being modified , maybe a radius in front of the cav spear units, that halts cav once their radius makes contact with the spear unit.

**Fluvius Camillus** · 10-22-2009, 09:34

The disobeying orders is too hard to simulate, closest thing would just be a +100 attack when charging with cav into phalanx that are "ready". Come on, no horse can survive a high speed run in firmly planted pointy polearms!

~Fluvius

**ziegenpeter** · 10-22-2009, 09:53

But I'm not shure if giving +100 attack would be the right way to depict it.
If horses turn away before charge, then most of them survive and sometimes cav charges without order or the AI does BS by doing a frontal charge into pikes. In that case it would be less realistic that you lose all you cav, so may be it would be even more realistic to decrease the attack and charge of the cav drastically and increase the def of cav and pikes. Like that doing a frontal charge would be kind of senseless and the cav has to turn away to try their luck again. But I doubt that even THAT is possible in the engine.

**Fluvius Camillus** · 10-22-2009, 10:00

Originally Posted by ziegenpeter

But I'm not shure if giving +100 attack would be the right way to depict it.
If horses turn away before charge, then most of them survive and sometimes cav charges without order or the AI does BS by doing a frontal charge into pikes. In that case it would be less realistic that you lose all you cav, so may be it would be even more realistic to decrease the attack and charge of the cav drastically and increase the def of cav and pikes. Like that doing a frontal charge would be kind of senseless and the cav has to turn away to try their luck again. But I doubt that even THAT is possible in the engine.

Yea 100 is a little too much, I did not meant it for cataphracts of course, but still, it seems so unrealistic that cavalry can charge and just walk between pikes...

~Fluvius

**mountaingoat** · 10-22-2009, 11:27

i guess the idea is that we have full command over units , as i am sure the same argument could be said about ordering a unit of slingers to charge a pike formation.

adding bonus to spears and the like would work better .. only problem is getting the computer to understand charging cav head on = death. lol

**Vesinger** · 10-22-2009, 15:30

The moral for elephants are too low in EB. Probably the lowest ever (Moral 4 for Pyrrhos' elephants)

**anubis88** · 10-22-2009, 18:22

Originally Posted by Vesinger

The moral for elephants are too low in EB. Probably the lowest ever (Moral 4 for Pyrrhos' elephants)

No they're not....

btw... What the hell does this have to do with the thread?

**ziegenpeter** · 10-22-2009, 18:54

Well Vesinger, if you had met Anubis88 on a more constructive day, he might had added "because they actually were really shilly-shally in battle" after no "they're not..."