1.5. Anyone playing as France try to declare war on Cherokees?

**Braden** · 10-23-2009, 15:32

Originally Posted by Fisherking

Nope, that is not really an option. I have not found a native faction that would sell lands.

With the little poisoned pill they have just set him up.

If he attacks the Cherokees then he has broken a treaty and will have everyone on his back, even though there was no treaty...they just gave military access so he would take the hit.

Nothing is to be done if you want Louisiana but to take them out. It is just a set up and you have to live with it.

Arse!

I’ve just got an alliance with Great Britain as well…don’t fancy losing that.

I’ll have to check the diplomatic avenues in detail and see if there is anything I can do to at least lessen the blow.

I want to know WHY Louisiana require a Cherokee province though?? I thought it was just Iroquois territories.

**Fisherking** · 10-23-2009, 16:36

Just so you know, all three of the missions require that region.

So if you play as Spain, Great Britain, or France that one region is required to get your protectorate to join your faction.

**Slaists** · 10-23-2009, 20:44

Originally Posted by Braden

Arse!

I’ve just got an alliance with Great Britain as well…don’t fancy losing that.

I’ll have to check the diplomatic avenues in detail and see if there is anything I can do to at least lessen the blow.

I want to know WHY Louisiana require a Cherokee province though?? I thought it was just Iroquois territories.

Well, one way (to try) would be to grab a province right next to Cherokees, leave it ungarrisoned, and threaten Cherokees with something every turn in hope they'll get sufficiently pissed to attack your unguarded province. If they attack, you'll get no penalty (I believe).

**A1_Unit** · 10-23-2009, 22:36

Basically in ETW it's usually best to get your target nation to attack you. If you play as GB the Cherokees attack the Thirteen Colonies within a few turns and you get to go to war with them - it takes longer for them to attack Louisiana though.

**Braden** · 10-26-2009, 09:44

Originally Posted by A1_Unit

Basically in ETW it's usually best to get your target nation to attack you. If you play as GB the Cherokees attack the Thirteen Colonies within a few turns and you get to go to war with them - it takes longer for them to attack Louisiana though.

Ok, that sounds like a plan. I'll see if I can phish them off sufficiently to launch an attack.

**Durallan** · 10-27-2009, 00:35

maybe the idea is to simulate the historical treaties nations made with indian factions, and that way if you do want your protectorate, well theyre trying to force you to break your treaties so that everyone knows what you did to the native americans, or something like that?

**Beskar** · 10-27-2009, 07:14

The thing I dislike is how Britain Spain and France NPC's automatically own their protectorates after 5 turns or so. They should have never implemented that in the game.

**Braden** · 10-27-2009, 11:26

Originally Posted by Beskar

The thing I dislike is how Britain Spain and France NPC's automatically own their protectorates after 5 turns or so. They should have never implemented that in the game.

Oh…that’s a real crock. I’ve started to annoy them diplomatically now…I am officially “Disliked” after cancelling their military access rights.

I can’t demand any regions from them for some reason (guess I’m not disliked enough for that) so I started asking for regular “tribute” payments “or else”…its somewhere to start. I’ll just keep doing that every turn and see what happens…this ought to test the diplomatic Ai a bit.

Just to check though, when I open up the diplomatic screen for Regions..it only shows my own…never theirs.

**Slaists** · 10-27-2009, 16:38

Originally Posted by Beskar

The thing I dislike is how Britain Spain and France NPC's automatically own their protectorates after 5 turns or so. They should have never implemented that in the game.

Well, I think, that's implemented in order to provide some challenge for the player and elevating non-player Britain, France and Spain to the super-power status they were at the time. On the other hand, giving these provinces to the player at the game start would make for a rather boring game.

Originally Posted by Braden

Back to the "annoying them every turn with random threats" plan then.

I'm in no hurry to complete the mission but I'd love the ships Louisiana is kicking out at the moment! Don't ya love Ai factions in-human way to tech up so fast...

I'm sitting on 4th rate ships now at least (year 1710) so I can start holding my own against those uber Pirate Galleons.

I think, you need to appear "being weak" militarily too in order for the AI to bite. If you have a large army next to the faction you're trying to annoy they are not likely to attack.