Iranian official blames deadly bombing on 'U.S. actions'

[HoreTore]

yeah sure there are similarities but they are an essentially different war. There are similarities between all wars. If there is any war you could really compare this too it would be Vietnam.

So... With that statement made, why did you go mental over Banqou's(and my) claim that there are similarities between the american independence war and the war in afghanistan?

And yes i could easily blame something of this sort on my nationality. Of course the average person wants to believe the best of his or her country and is probably going to be unwilling to compare their war for independence with the war in afghanistan.

There's no excuse for being blinded by nationalism.

But hey, if you didn't want your independence war compared to other wars, how 'bout.... Not waging war to gain independence, and gain it through diplomacy instead?

[Centurion1]

But hey, if you didn't want your independence war compared to other wars, how 'bout.... Not waging war to gain independence, and gain it through diplomacy instead?

how about we attempted that? How about even while at war we attempted that? how about we used war as a last resort? How about the British were not going to negotiate with colonists?

[HoreTore]

how about we attempted that? How about even while at war we attempted that? how about we used war as a last resort? How about the British were not going to negotiate with colonists?

You think the swedish king was fond of negotiating with the peasantry?

It took us 89 years of negotiation to gain our independence. Did you try negotiating for 89 years? No, you grew tired after a couple of years and decided to follow Washington's small penis-complex.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

You think the swedish king was fond of negotiating with the peasantry?

It took us 89 years of negotiation to gain our independence. Did you try negotiating for 89 years? No, you grew tired after a couple of years and decided to follow Washington's small penis-complex.

I don't think that many people are interested in 89 years of oppression with the off-chance that they'll achieve some sort freedom in the end, with luck.

[HoreTore]

I don't think that many people are interested in 89 years of oppression with the off-chance that they'll achieve some sort freedom in the end, with luck.

Well some people actually like peace and stuff...

And it's not like the british empire were Nazi's, Stalinists or anything like that. A bit tax-heavy, sure, but so was the swedes... Quit yer whinin'.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Well some people actually like peace and stuff...

But at what cost?

Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace — but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

And finally...

Let's set the record straight. There is no argument over the choice between peace and war, but there is only one guaranteed way you can have peace - and you can have it in the next second - surrender.

A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

Everybody wants peace, but there are some things worth fighting for, some things that people do not want to wait for. No, Britain was no Nazi Germany, but another century of oppression was not what people wanted and not what people should have received. There had to be something done, and there was. The quotes above are there because they summarize my opinion - life is a beautiful thing, and so is peace, but there are some things in life that you need to be willing to fight for.

[HoreTore]

But at what cost?

A couple of bucks in tax vs. the deaths of thousands? I think I'd take the tax.

[rvg]

You think the swedish king was fond of negotiating with the peasantry?

It took us 89 years of negotiation to gain our independence. Did you try negotiating for 89 years? No, you grew tired after a couple of years and decided to follow Washington's small penis-complex.

Oh my. 89 years of being used as a doormat? Wow, you guys used to be vikings, right?

In any case No, thanks. The American way is better, give me Liberty or give me Death.

[Furunculus]

interesting article about how israel destroyed the al-kibar reactor, and how it was meant as a warning for iran:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...658663,00.html

[Strike For The South]

Oh my. 89 years of being used as a doormat? Wow, you guys used to be vikings, right?

In any case No, thanks. The American way is better, give me Liberty or give me Death.

Americas victory was more of a case of French help than anything else.

The fathers were patriots no doubt, but to say there was widespread oppersion and Americans some how rose up because we're awesome really isn't true.

I mean, yall aint Texans.

[rvg]

...The fathers were patriots no doubt, but to say there was widespread oppersion and Americans some how rose up because we're awesome really isn't true...

Americans wanted some respect from the British Crown. Specifically, some representation in the parliament where our voice would be heard. Instead of respect, we got more taxes. That's tyranny.
And yes, the French did help us alot, but without the Washington's determination and a few key victories (without French help) the US independence would not have materialized.

[Strike For The South]

Americans wanted some respect from the British Crown. Specifically, some representation in the parliament where our voice would be heard. Instead of respect, we got more taxes. That's tyranny.
And yes, the French did help us alot, but without the Washington's determination and a few key victories (without French help) the US independence would not have materialized.

And without French and Spanish shot and powder we wouldnt've been able to fight.

Really it's a case of the new boss is the same as the old. The more radical revos were pushed out by the more old school ones.

Jefferson and Washington were really the only two whom live up to there reps.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

But hey, if you didn't want your independence war compared to other wars, how 'bout.... Not waging war to gain independence, and gain it through diplomacy instead?

It wasn't practical to do so at the time. It was tried, and it failed.

[Decker]

Is it me or was this thread a joke from the beginning?

[Vladimir]

One ludicrous claim devolves into another. It's the way of things.

[Azathoth]

This article is somewhat relevant and you should read it.

http://www.americanheritage.com/arti...1971_4_6.shtml

[Vladimir]

Britain, on the eve of that war, was the greatest empire since Rome. Never before had she known such wealth and power; never had the future seemed so bright, the prospects so glowing.

Shackled by debt, suffering war exhaustion from yet another war against France.

I have a real problem with the facts this guy presents. There was no Great Britain during the American Revolution, but he doesn't use the word "great" so I'll let him slide on that one. He's no doubt confusing this "Britain" with one of a much later age. The rest of the article may be good but it starts off poorly.