Faction List for EB2?

[Foot]

Lobf, it's great see you back on form. We've missed you!

However, while I do enjoy your "skipping record" style of conversation, perhaps its time to move onto another subject. We have told you and we will always tell you, "We do not have full records of all evidence that was bought forward during the early period of EBI (and throughout development there have been gaps). We cannot provide you with the evidence you so desperately crave at the moment. We are researching all factions and areas of our mod over again, and collating this information in a central depository so that we can check it in the future. We may or may not release this resource at some future date. We cannot talk about what we have planned for the Casse, or the British Isles in general, as we have not reached a point where we have the development at a level necessary to preview this stuff.

Your constant and consistent (I would say a very large majority of your posts on our two forums here is on the subject of the Casse) is unnecessary at this point (if it was at any point). Your hijacking of threads so that they are solely about this subject, your dominance in them, and your rather ungentlemanly behaviour (which you admit to) is frustrating and long overdue an end.

EBII is more than just a one-horse mod, and I think you've beaten this dead horse topic enough. If the Casse come up again, and some "dodgy" evidence is brought forward by fan, feel free to link them to my post and let them know that all evidence in EBII is being researched again. Then move on and [citation needed] our other factions, as they sorely need your attention!

Foot

[lobf]

Lobf, it's great see you back on form. We've missed you!

However, while I do enjoy your "skipping record" style of conversation, perhaps its time to move onto another subject. We have told you and we will always tell you, "We do not have full records of all evidence that was bought forward during the early period of EBI (and throughout development there have been gaps). We cannot provide you with the evidence you so desperately crave at the moment. We are researching all factions and areas of our mod over again, and collating this information in a central depository so that we can check it in the future. We may or may not release this resource at some future date. We cannot talk about what we have planned for the Casse, or the British Isles in general, as we have not reached a point where we have the development at a level necessary to preview this stuff.

Your constant and consistent (I would say a very large majority of your posts on our two forums here is on the subject of the Casse) is unnecessary at this point (if it was at any point). Your hijacking of threads so that they are solely about this subject, your dominance in them, and your rather ungentlemanly behaviour (which you admit to) is frustrating and long overdue an end.

EBII is more than just a one-horse mod, and I think you've beaten this dead horse topic enough. If the Casse come up again, and some "dodgy" evidence is brought forward by fan, feel free to link them to my post and let them know that all evidence in EBII is being researched again. Then move on and [citation needed] our other factions, as they sorely need your attention!

Foot

Thanks Foot!

However, I think you've misunderstood me. I understand the old Casse stuff is either missing or non-existent. I'm not asking for that. I know that the faction is to be included in the next iteration of your wonderful mod, and I'm wondering, since we can ignore much of the older evidence, what it is you will be using to rebuild that culture?

I also know that there's so much more to EB than the European tribes. I'm just not so enamored with most of the rest of the world at that time as I am with the Europeans. Like the founders of this project, I long to see accurate, reasonable interpretations of the lives of these people. This isn't just a matter of challenging shaky assertions, but I want to know and learn about them, and I'd like to look at the same sources you do.

I know I'm a dick. Maybe it's my line of work (I work in the film business... nobody's got any patience for nonsense.) and I'm sorry that I bring some of that impatience or aggression to the forums. I just really like the barbarians, and I really like to talk about them. And I really like to argue. And I really don't like when people make assertions based on rumor or hearsay. (as happened in this very topic with the "goidelic legend")

Anyways, I'm trying to move on. Thanks for tolerating me (barely) and I look forward to seeing the new material you bring to the table in the future.

[bobbin]

And I really don't like when people make assertions based on rumor or hearsay. (as happened in this very topic with the "goidelic legend")

A bit harsh, it was based on what I read in the game, i don't have the time to check every last piece of information so i assumed the EB team, who spent a lot of time and effort making the mod, were more informed than me in this matter and included it for a good reason.

Anyway just my final 2cents, it has been a intersting discussion.

[Julianus]

Sometimes, I get tired of conquering the world and all...maybe play as a weak but famous faction struggling for its bare existence among surrounding super powers is interesting too, at least for a change.

To be honest, I always want to play as a single Greek city states, such as Athens, Sparta, Corinth, etc.
For example I wish we could get Corinth as a faction starting as Macedonian protectorate...don't know if EB have some plan of province campaign.

[Bloody Sacha]

I am very much looking forward to a Boii faction which I believe will serve as the axle of Europe, well situated in central Europe with obvious objectives towards the Helvetii and northern Italy they will be a great disabling faction forcing every nation around them to expand more appropriately (or over dead Boii bodies) while more realistically opening up the Celtic lay lines to the eastern Celtic world Tylis and Galatia.

Id love to see a Galatian faction but I can't think of a way to tie their politics to their relatives in Tolosa without flat out incorporating Tolosa into the Galatian faction which would obviously be unhistorical. Either way I suspect that without such a function, the Galatians wouldn't be considered "worldly" enough to be implemented. In a recent game as the Aedui I was one province away from smashing the Arverni and completing my last game objective when suddenly the Arverni acquired Galatia and two full stack armies. Which while hilarious and better then nothing would still be disappointing in EB2. Perhaps this presumably scripted event could occur for the Galatians if a non-Celtic faction captures Tolosa. (If no one has any idea what I’m talking about I can go into more detail about the Volcae Tectosages of Tolosa and their correspondence with the Volcae Tectosages in Galatia)

Other factions id like to see but almost certainly won’t be put in the game

Cimbri
Brigantes
Scordisci
Belloavaci
Veneti
Aravaci

I know next to nothing of the civilizations outside the Celtic nations.

[oudysseos]

Sacha, you just might be pleasantly surprised! (Is he lying? Only Foot knows! Bwahahaha).

Look, Lobf, I think that you miss the point sometimes. We will certainly provide as comprehensive a historical justification for the British faction* as we can when we are ready to do so, but it is not the case that the original framers of the Casse were mistaken or remiss or crazy: an interpretive direction was taken, one that was well grounded in the historical and archaeological record, and now with the expanded opportunities of the new engine, a slightly different direction is likely to be the result, just as well grounded in exactly the same historical and archaeological record. Try to get this, Lobf: both versions are equally "right" or "wrong" - in fact, that kind of characterization (right, wrong, true, false) is in itself inappropriate: we are interpreting, as best we can, the physical remains of an illiterate culture to fit the limits of the game engine that we have chosen. There are often many equally legitimate ways to interpret the evidence that we have, but ultimately we have to make some choices.

What I am trying to say is that with a faction like the Casse, the best that anyone can ever do is say, "This is how it could have been". Sometimes there are several ways that it could have been and we can only pick one of them. What we can't ever do is say, "This is how it really was", 'cos nobody knows that, even for many of the better documented Greek and Roman factions.

*Not giving anything away here: 'Casse', as I have said, is a very valid choice as a name for this faction, but it is no secret that there are some other possibilities. This is one of those 'multiple ways it could have been' scenarios: we can only give the faction one name even though there are several choices.