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    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian Iron View Post
    okay, when you look at an HD screen of CoD 4 or 5, do you just think "oh look at all those triangles!"? nobody else does. they look realistic enough to be unnerving.
    That's not the point. Regardless of how realistic they look, however relative a term that is, they are just made of triangles. They are not real people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian Iron View Post
    would you like to know why you have that statistic? because most underage gamers lie about their age.

    hell, i still say I'm 30 when I register a game!

    in my entire neighborhood, with very few kids, i know at least 6 teenagers who play games all the time. I've never seen a parent or adult in my neighborhood who plays games like me and my buddies do.
    http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums...ic_id=26367451

    Also, your entire neighbourhood/network of friends != the entire gaming community.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian Iron View Post
    ?????where did you get that from????
    That the impression I get. It looks confusing, because that's the message you seem to be saying.

    You say:
    hell, i played M rated games at age 8. any non-uber-conservative parent doesnt care about rating. I played God of War 1 and 2 at release! I was 10 when I played God of War 1. despite the sex and nudity and gore.

    ratings dont matter.
    Whilst saying a few sentences before:
    im not saying at all that this will screw people up, but im saying that im not sure if i would let a 12 year old play this select mission.
    Ummm....
    no, it's not. i dont know why you cant understand that Terrorists=Bad and all need to die, and Civilians=Good and have no reason to be slaughtered.
    Ignoring the fact that neither even exist in the context we are talking about, let's have a thought experiment.

    SUPER HAPPY FUN LUCKY QUIZ:
    When does war stop, and murder start being committed?

    1. Terrorists break into an army barracks, and kill everyone inside, including army cooks, medics etc.

    2. Terrorists break into an armanents factory, and kill all the workers and management who were making weapons that were killing terrorists.

    3. Terrorists break into a conference of a political party that supported war against the terrorists, and kill everyone inside regardless of their political views.

    4. Terrorists walk out in the street, and kill random passersbys, some of whom supported aforementioned party, others not, whilst all contributing to the economy of the country which is fighting the terrorists.

    Before I show you the answers, here's another quiz.

    LUCKY FUN HAPPY SUPER QUIZ:
    When does war stop, and murder start being committed?

    1. Commandoes break into a terrorist hide-out, and kill everyone inside, including surgeons, religious leaders etc.

    2. Commandoes break into an bomb factory, and kill all the workers and management who were making bombs that were killing soldiers

    3. Commandoes break into a meeting of tribal leaders which broadly supported war against that country, and kill everyone inside regardless of their personal views of the conflict.

    4.Soldiers walk out in the street, and kill random passersbys, some of whom supported the freedom fighters, others not, whilst all contributing to the economy of the country which is fighting the commandoes.

    ANSWERS:

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Trick question, as war is murder regardless of who is being killed

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    SUPER HAPPY FUN LUCKY QUIZ:
    When does war stop, and murder start being committed?

    1. Terrorists break into an army barracks, and kill everyone inside, including army cooks, medics etc.

    2. Terrorists break into an armanents factory, and kill all the workers and management who were making weapons that were killing terrorists.

    3. Terrorists break into a conference of a political party that supported war against the terrorists, and kill everyone inside regardless of their political views.

    4. Terrorists walk out in the street, and kill random passersbys, some of whom supported aforementioned party, others not, whilst all contributing to the economy of the country which is fighting the terrorists.

    Before I show you the answers, here's another quiz.

    LUCKY FUN HAPPY SUPER QUIZ:
    When does war stop, and murder start being committed?

    1. Commandoes break into a terrorist hide-out, and kill everyone inside, including surgeons, religious leaders etc.

    2. Commandoes break into an bomb factory, and kill all the workers and management who were making bombs that were killing soldiers

    3. Commandoes break into a meeting of tribal leaders which broadly supported war against that country, and kill everyone inside regardless of their personal views of the conflict.

    4.Soldiers walk out in the street, and kill random passersbys, some of whom supported the freedom fighters, others not, whilst all contributing to the economy of the country which is fighting the commandoes.

    ANSWERS:

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Trick question, as war is murder regardless of who is being killed
    you completely miss the point. terrorists attacking a country are not in a "war". that is true murder. unprovoked killing.

    and 3 and 4. when were those ever commited by real soldiers? I know that no one in the right mind would support walking in the street and killing passersby.

    it seems you are trying to say "terrorists affiliated with a country" rather than the more realistic "terrorists who simply hate those different from themselves and kill others for no reason.


    lets take the "terrorists affiliated with a country" example. Vietnam War would fit this perfectly (Viet Cong terrorists with the North, in addition to the North's real army).

    1. Probably happened, though merciless killing of everyone would have been strictly reprimanded by American authorities.

    2. See above.

    3. Never happened

    4. Also never happened.


    this is from the American Commando perspective. don't make up events and say that it is on an equal level no matter who is doing it.


    If an evil force kills thousands, and a good force kills thousands of the evil force, than is the good force truly evil? absolutely not. this would make all humans horrible and evil, and thus we would have no aspect of what good could possibly be.

    besides, you are going totally off-topic. if instead there was a war with russia in the game, and as an american/british soldier you had to slaughter civilians in a Russian airport, I would object just as much.


    it is the slaughtering of helpless and otherwise inconsequential civilians that everyone is against.
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    This topic's taken a big turn towards the backroom now. I suggest that anyone interested in discussing whether the scene is suitable or not start a new thread over there; the arena's intended for the lighter sides of gaming.

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    ok, stop now. any further and it will be a backroom discussion and *poof* this thread will dissapear from the Arena like pie dissapears from an American Pie Council convention.

    EDIT: beaten by Frog.

    anyhow, anyone see the review on youtube for MW2? looks amazing, especially the space blowup scene, but if im not mistaken, in one scene it shows you slowly rappelling down to kill some US commandos?
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    Martyrdom is gone? Hahaha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    Martyrdom is gone? Hahaha!
    Thank lord. The only thing worse than Martyrdom were the people who complained endlessly about it. It was only really bad in Hardcore mode anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Thank lord. The only thing worse than Martyrdom were the people who complained endlessly about it. It was only really bad in Hardcore mode anyway.
    I found that, at least in WaW, martyrdom might kill you and give you a kill maybe once or twice in an entire game.

    however, it did get annoying in hardcore when you TK and get TKed by it.

    CoD 4 was a little more of a problem. i can see urban environment being totally unfair with grenades dropping all the time.

    and i just didnt put on my headset so i couldnt hear people :D
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    In that case, could the thread be split so as to continue our discussion in the backroom? I'll post my reply here, out of convenience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian Iron View Post
    you completely miss the point. terrorists attacking a country are not in a "war".
    They think they are. They consider themselves soldiers, just like the IRA, Al Qaeda, Tamil Tigers, ETA etc. And they consider anyone who disagrees with them at war with them, regardless of whether they are combatants or not.
    that is true murder. unprovoked killing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia's Definition
    Murder, as defined in common law countries, is the unlawful killing of another human being with intent (or malice aforethought),
    Surely anyone who dies in conflict has been murdered, according to this definition?
    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian Iron View Post
    and 3 and 4. when were those ever commited by real soldiers? I know that no one in the right mind would support walking in the street and killing passersby.
    They were hypothetical scenarios, intended to highlight the absurdities of war, and the fact that black and white are non-existent in war.
    Also, you might want to check these out.

    it seems you are trying to say "terrorists affiliated with a country"
    So you mean, state sponsored terrorism? That happens very rarely, as it seldom has any positive effects for the donor. Perhaps you mean proxy wars, Cold War style (Of course, you wouldn't be so foolish to mistake irregular soldiers like the Vietcong for terrorists...would you?).

    rather than the more realistic "terrorists who simply hate those different from themselves and kill others for no reason.
    That's not terrorism. That is just being a psychopath. Terrorists do have motives, and they seek to achieve them through the use of fear as a weapon.
    lets take the "terrorists affiliated with a country" example. Vietnam War would fit this perfectly (Viet Cong terrorists with the North, in addition to the North's real army).

    1. Probably happened, though merciless killing of everyone would have been strictly reprimanded by American authorities.

    2. See above.

    3. Never happened

    4. Also never happened.


    this is from the American Commando perspective. don't make up events and say that it is on an equal level no matter who is doing it.
    I never said that they did happen. I said it was a thought experiment, and I said (twice) that the aim was for you to decide when war turned into murder, for both sides.
    If an evil force kills thousands, and a good force kills thousands of the evil force, than is the good force truly evil? absolutely not..
    Good and evil, (although according to Nietzsche, they don't even exist) are incredibly relative concepts. There is no "good force", or "evil force".
    this would make all humans horrible and evil, and thus we would have no aspect of what good could possibly be
    I think all humans, including myself, have the potential to do evil. The good comes about from resisting that. And killing people you disagree with is not doing good.
    besides, you are going totally off-topic.
    Ok, I admit I have gone totally way off topic.
    But it's still interesting, don't you agree
    if instead there was a war with russia in the game, and as an american/british soldier you had to slaughter civilians in a Russian airport, I would object just as much. it is the slaughtering of helpless and otherwise inconsequential civilians that everyone is against.
    Yet you were OK with the shooting of German POWs in game in WaW, people who were pretty "inconsequential and helpless". I'm not saying that you shouldn't play that, but that it's hypocritical to say that that scenario is "kinda funny", and then to criticise a similar situation set in the modern day.

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