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    China looks to export censorship

    By Michael Bristow
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    A few days before the start of this year's Melbourne International Film Festival its executive director received an "audacious" telephone call.

    An official from China's consulate in the city called him to "urge" the festival to withdraw a film about the Chinese activist Rebiya Kadeer.

    Beijing then tried to persuade the organisers of the Frankfurt Book Fair not to allow two Chinese writers to attend an event.

    China says it does not interfere in the internal affairs of other countries.

    But some see these acts as an attempt by China to use abroad the tough censorship measures it constantly employs at home.

    Intimidation and threats

    Richard Moore, the Melbourne festival's executive director, said he was astonished to receive the call from the city's Chinese consulate.

    "It came down to [the consular official] saying we need to justify our decision to include the film in the programme. It was a remarkable display of confidence and arrogance," he said.

    The festival decided to ignore the advice and go ahead with the film - about an activist who campaigns for better rights for China's Uighur minority - but that did not end the issue.

    The festival organisation was subjected to an intense campaign of threats, intimidation and disruption, although it is not clear who - if anyone - orchestrated the campaign.

    The festival e-mail address received insulting messages, there were waves of annoying phone calls and the fax machine was jammed with callers.

    Some notes to the organisers contained messages threatening Mr Moore's family.

    Internet hackers managed to break into the festival's online booking site, making it appear that session tickets had been sold out.

    Hackers also managed to post a Chinese flag on the main website and Chinese film-makers withdrew their movies from the festival.

    The film at the centre of the controversy - called The 10 Conditions of Love - was finally shown at a larger venue, partly because the publicity surrounding the row increased interest.

    Its subject, Rebiya Kadeer, was also invited to take part in a talk at the festival, which took place in July and August.

    But Mr Moore admits that the event organisers will look hard at how to showcase controversial films at future festivals.

    The Chinese government was just as direct with the organisers of the Frankfurt Book Fair, an annual event that bills itself as a "worldwide marketplace for ideas".

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    China was the guest of honour at this October's fair and Beijing funded a series of events to showcase its literature and culture.

    But Chinese officials were angry when they found out writers Dai Qing and Bei Ling had been invited to a symposium connected to the fair.


    China is using its economic influence to threaten its trade partners in order to censor what they don't like

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    According to Juergen Boos, the fair's director, China asked the organisers to ban the writers, a request they initially agreed to carry out.

    The two Chinese writers were then allowed to speak at the symposium, but when they stood up to make a speech some of the Chinese delegation left the room.

    "We did not come to be instructed about democracy," a former Chinese ambassador told the event organisers.

    China often asks foreign governments and organisations not to do something that it perceives to be against its interests. It recently complained to Japan when Tokyo allowed Ms Kadeer to enter the country.

    But it says this does not contravene its policy of non-interference.

    "I believe the Chinese government has not violated the principle of interfering in others' internal affairs," said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu recently in response to a question about this policy.

    But writer Dai Qing, who is also an environmental campaigner, believes China's increasing economic muscle has emboldened the country's leaders.

    "China is using its economic influence to threaten its trade partners in order to censor what they don't like," she said.

    David Zweig, of the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, is not so sure the Chinese are doing it from a position of strength.

    "Sometimes we cannot tell whether it's confidence or concern," said Mr Zweig, the director of the Centre on China's Transnational Relations, based at his university.

    He said China's attempts to prevent Ms Kadeer from speaking publicly, for example, could be linked to concerns about ethnic tension in Xinjiang, where most Uighurs live.

    Hundreds of Uighurs rioted in July, killing scores of Han Chinese people.

    Mr Zweig added that there could also be another reason behind the pressure - the Chinese government and its people are often quick to take offence at opinions they do not like to hear.

    And he said ordinary people were sometimes more sensitive than officials - forcing the government to take a tougher stance internationally.

    That could be why China is now trying to censor critical opinions abroad.


    This has dreadful implications for the United States. Discuss.
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    Strike?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Azathoth View Post
    This has dreadful implications for the United States. Discuss.
    You mean, they're no longer the only one who does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    You mean, they're no longer the only one who does it?
    *snark* You go girl.


    Reinvent the British and you get a global finance center, edible food and better service. Reinvent the French and you may just get more Germans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    *snark* You go girl.


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    Our grandchildren will look back on the days of American supremacy with fondness and bitter regret.



    Chinese government, the largest economic spy in the world.
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    A cyber spying operation based primarily in China has infiltrated government and private computers in 103 countries around the world, including the German embassy and NATO.

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    Chinese imperialism: buying up arable land worldwide:
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    The great imperial struggles of the 1800s were over control of strategic or otherwise prized resources, and the hostilities they generated helped stoke World Wars I and II. Many believe the Iraq war was all about oil.

    China is considering adopting a contemporary variant of the colonial model. A Ministry of Agriculture proposal suggests that rather than conquer territory to secure needed farmland, it could simply buy it up. But this path proves likes to engender resistance from the locals in countries with conquered occupied investee sites. This might work if done quietly, with local players acting as fronts. But this program will have to be very large scale to achieve its desired aims, which is improving food security, which makes keeping a low profile well nigh impossible.

    And does China really think it can export food from large tracts of land abroad if the natives are hungry? There are major risks, such as governments asserting eminent domain to repatriate property and sabotage of transport.

    China is concentrating its efforts on Africa and South America. In many areas, the control of the central government is weak. Will China wind up employing local mercenaries to secure its interests? It will be interesting to watch this initiative play out.

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    We should not be intimidated into submission:

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    Ignoring Chinese complaints, French President Nicolas Sarkozy met the Dalai Lama in Poland last Saturday. Sarkozy was also the first sitting president of the EU to meet the spiritual leader.

    The Chinese government responded to the meeting with predictable hysteria.

    Prior to the meeting, China had tried to intimidate Sarkozy through various channels.

    According to reports in pro-Beijing media outlets, the threats included Premier Wen Jiabao (???) refusing to participate in a Dec. 1 summit with the EU; postponing negotiations on the purchase of French Airbus aircraft, which would affect tens of billions of US dollars in orders; and resuscitating boycotts of French goods.

    ANGER

    There are three reasons for China’s anger.

    First, the two countries have established a comprehensive strategic partnership, but France is now refusing to assist China in the process of suppressing its enemies.

    Second, 13 years ago China gave Sarkozy a high-level reception at a time when his political career wasn’t going too well.

    Then, when Sarkozy visited China in November last year for the first time after becoming French president, he was given the same grand welcome as former US president Bill Clinton.

    Third, China is experiencing economic problems and there is talk of a “February crisis.” Beijing is therefore trying to divert public attention by manufacturing external crises.

    In addition, if other countries were to emulate Sarkozy, it would be China, and not the Dalai Lama, that would be isolated.

    Sarkozy’s response was that he did not regret the meeting, and that as both French and EU president, he represented the value of — and belief in — freedom.

    He also said that the world needs an open China to participate in global governance, and that China needs a strong Europe to maintain the rate of Chinese employment.

    French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner also said: “We cannot have France’s conduct dictated to, even by our friends.”
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    Just like Rugby, when the French are at their best they are a force to be admired and they can take down the mightiest of opponents with flair be they the All Blacks or China. Just got to admire their style when the French are in form.
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    The Amis and Russians wish to rule the world as well. Everyone else is just in for the ride.

    Also, if the Chinese government thinks thinly-veiled threats over writer's festivals is going to intimidate anyone, they must have been having a bad day in Beijing.
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    to respond simply to the title......

    well duh youre a little late to the party.


    @Louis, at least youre president has the cajones to meet the flipping dalai lama........ almost killed myself with shame for my country when we turned away one of the most peaceful men on earth.....

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    That's so awful.... pressing toward a wolrd supremacy and start giving controversial pressures to international community is awful, as if left wild, that could make the 3rd wolrd war.

    But protesting films for portaying a rebel force, that threatening your integrity, on the good side is somewhat acceptable.

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    WWIII? Over this? Unless the rest of the world is exceedingly rude in it's response (Most likely involving thermonuclears) this will blow over. If anything, this just makes China look desperate to stir up trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Very Super Market View Post
    The Amis and Russians wish to rule the world as well. Everyone else is just in for the ride.
    The Russians don't have a chance, and any sane person would rather have the Americans over the Chinese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    The Russians don't have a chance.
    Not the way we are going now, but I would not be so quick to dismiss it with such absolute statement. Although the likelihood of finding a good head for the behemoth of our body, of our nation, is, alas, low...

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    and any sane person would rather have the Americans over the Chinese.
    So true, yet just how many sane people are there in this world? And how far will such an attitude take US? Half the world already hates it, and it was worse with Bush... Sure, China harbours dubious motives, and who knows what means it will use to justify the end, but abounds in examples of a more favourable overlord being overthrown and replaced with a more nefarious one due to the cunning of the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion1 View Post
    to respond simply to the title......

    well duh youre a little late to the party.


    @Louis, at least youre president has the cajones to meet the flipping dalai lama........ almost killed myself with shame for my country when we turned away one of the most peaceful men on earth.....
    The Dalai Lama peaceful?

    Sure....

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    China is not a world power. China is the world, and it's surrounded by a ring of tiny and short-lived civilisations like the Americas, Europeans, Mongols, Moghuls, Indians, Franks, Romans, Japanese, Koreans.

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    WWIII? Over this? Unless the rest of the world is exceedingly rude in it's response (Most likely involving thermonuclears) this will blow over. If anything, this just makes China look desperate to stir up trouble.
    Yes, but wars tend to start over a long combination of events which usually show and underlying trend.
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    Not with nukes they aren't. China is just baring some teeth. A more relaxed Cold War, so to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion1 View Post
    almost killed myself with shame for my country when we turned away one of the most peaceful men on earth.....
    Yeahrite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    The Russians don't have a chance, and any sane person would rather have the Americans over the Chinese.
    I would have the Europeans over the Americans.
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    Unfortunately, America and Russia have proven to be unable to rule even Afghanistan...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Unfortunately, America and Russia have proven to be unable to rule even Afghanistan...
    I guess maybe we should have given the Mongolians a call.

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    Ever heard of the long march?

    Not the one in history, but the Chinese Communist Idea that they are bound to rule the world?

    I would rather not see a one world government and I certainly don’t want a conquer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    I would have the Europeans over the Americans.
    lol, we can dream.

    the reason why you like the europeans is precisely the reason we will never have the europeans.
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    lol, we can dream.

    the reason why you like the europeans is precisely the reason we will never have the europeans.
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    We're too soft, we lack the cojones to go in gun blazing. We've lost them somewhere along the road. Look at Norwegians - they've terrorised the known world in the past, stealing food, gold and wimmin and now they're a bunch of wusses in love with everybody
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    because european nations individually do not have the balls anymore to dominate world affairs, and have yet to realise that clubbing together won't cause a spine to grow either.

    WW2 has obviously been a very traumatic affair that has permanently scarred the collective national psyche.

    it requires a confident, perhaps even slightly arrogant, national personality in addition to wealth and population in order to become a superpower. that is decidedly lacking!
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    Pff, but we're in a good situation, I doubt that Europe will be conquered by an outside force as long as it stands together.
    And with our anything goes approach we're slowly converting the whole world because not much is as tempting as breaking rules and doing what you want. European imperialism just shifted to a different level, chancellor Angela Merkel was just allowed to speak before Congress in the USA, something that is usually only allowed for Presidents, or so I read. You see, she already softened up the US with her charm and good looks.


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    Angela Merkel was just allowed to speak before Congress in the USA, something that is usually only allowed for Presidents, or so I read. You see, she already softened up the US with her charm and good looks.
    not to mention her tremendous rack.
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    Who would have thought German Boobs could have swayed the Americans?

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