To many rumors about Rome.exe and Vanilla

[applebreath]

I don't know, maybe I'm missing something. I just don't think I should respect the CA of today, just because of the RTW engine.

The way I look at things is that if CA did it "right" in the first place, there would have been no need for EB because the vanilla game would have been pretty close to what EB is to us. If anything, the vanilla game would have been even better because it would have had a better AI or at least have some way to mod it.

Now, I can see why one might have respect because of the STW engine. That is the game that started it all and showed what could be. Because of that game, someone would have eventually made a work like EB.

When there is a need for something, it will eventually be open to the mass. That need was created with STW, not RTW. I honor CA for STW. I honor EB creators for our "RTW-game". Imo, the CA that created STW no longer exists today. To me, the CA of today is pretty pathetic.

[Ludens]

I am going to leave this thread open, but keep the following in mind:

CA bashing is not allowed.

Nor is bashing other mods, for that matter. Constructive criticism on the work of CA is fine; destructive criticism will get the discussion closed. Without CA, there would be no EB. I am very disappointed with CA's output post-M:TW, but they did create the platform for this and several other great mods. (And no, an abundance of modification does not indicate a game is bad. Quite the opposite.)

[Leão magno]

To love EB and then hate vanilla is like loving a band like Greenday and not appreciating the Beatles.

As much as I dislike RTW's ahistorical gameplay, I respect the fact that without it, I wouldn't be here enjoying the greatness of EB.

You putted it rightly! Thanks for your eloquency

[The General]

To love EB and then hate vanilla is like loving a band like Greenday and not appreciating the Beatles.

As much as I dislike RTW's ahistorical gameplay, I respect the fact that without it, I wouldn't be here enjoying the greatness of EB.

... Not really. Your analogy really isn't the best one. (Greenday, not to even talk about the quality of music, is not The Beatles altered, it's a band several decades younger than the Beatles, and while probably influenced by the Beatles to some degree, not even a direct descendant.)

Sure, R:TW provided a way, or a medium for mods like EB to be created, but R:TW was, and is, still bad, nonetheless, imho. CA could have made a great game, but instead they opted to make the most marketable game they could. Considering that I loved Shogun and thought Medieval was great, it's like watching Metallica, to continue the band-analogy trend, devolve from the band that made Ride the Lightning to the one that created Black album, then Load... Selling the soul for cold, hard cash.

[seienchin]

Seriously:
When Rome Total war came out it was incredible.
It had 3D Battles with thousands of soldiers, fighting in cities and the gameplay of an old gladiator movie. It was brilliant and criticaly acclaimed by everyone.
Saying its bad is nonsense imo.
Maybe it is bad today, but it was a great game
(In my eyes it still is, conquering spain in 3hours with 1000s of slain enemy still feels great )

[applebreath]

Seriously:
When Rome Total war came out it was incredible.
It had 3D Battles with thousands of soldiers, fighting in cities and the gameplay of an old gladiator movie. It was brilliant and criticaly acclaimed by everyone.
Saying its bad is nonsense imo.
Maybe it is bad today, but it was a great game
(In my eyes it still is, conquering spain in 3hours with 1000s of slain enemy still feels great )

Ummm, imo, it has always been and always will be, delicious eye candy...

I remember that time too. I was very excited, considering anything to do with "Rome", I eat up. But once I sat down and really started to play, it didn't take me long to realize it had a very arcady and Hollywood feel to it. Then I noticed the VERY VERY bad AI. Then I noticed the BUGS, including the whole reload-siege-bug. At that point, I was through with CA.

When M2TW came out I remember going to the M2TW forum and reading about the same kind of issues/bugs that plagued RTW. About a month ago I went into the ETW forum and started to read. And guess what, the same issues/bugs again. I bet they have about 1 full-time programmer, that basically "cuts and pastes" the code for the engines. Then they have a few guys working on the "eye-candy"/graghics. The rest is for the advertisement and hype.

CA reminds me of Microsoft, especially with the whole Vista OS fiasco. But still, people eat it up and run off to buy the lastest..

[Duguntz]

Ok, guys, I think most of you miss one IMPORTANT point. when seienchin started the thread, it was all about NOT BASHING on Vanilla RTW and it's other exe, still, bashing is what is most common! So i've a suggestion, as the thread is again a war (already lost) of Vanilla against EB (wich was not he subject of that thread) if you have something constructive to say about Vanilla or exe., well it'll be nice to hear. (...)

Remember, guys, that, all great EB is, it wouldn't be shit without the Vanilla!

Vanilla is great
Lorica segmentata are great
Egyptians axemen and pharao's grauds are great
germans axemen (and two handed axemen) are great,
cav. charges are impressive
No lag at all on full detail
More naval invasions than EB
And many hours of fun!

To compare Vanilla RTW and EB just for historical problem, it's like to compare a documentary movie about the Persian War and the movie 300.

Cheers to all...

Signature : A proud Duguntiz lost in a forest of prejudices...

[Cute Wolf]

Don't forget: Elephants playing soccer with flaming pigs are really awesome!

[Tony83]

It's so easy to knock vanilla RTW in hindsight. There have been many excellent mods that have extended its natural shelf life and taken it to new heights of gameplay and historical accuracy. However, I still remember the first time I fired up an RTW campaign - my PC gaming hasn't been the same since!

I came late to Shogun (I found a White Box edition in a Bargain Bucket in my local market for a couple of quid) and while it was interesting I found it a little difficult to get into the swing of it. To me it seemed like a more involved version of RISK that I was playing on my PC at the time. I did, however, eventually manage to get through an entire campaign. I thought it an intriguing concept but was hardly bowled over by it - probably the period/subject matter wasn't of particular interest to me.

On the other hand, Rome was most definitely of interest and I bought it on 22 September 2004, the day of its release in the UK. I was completey bowled over by it, from the first look at the map and Victoria explaining what was what, to Maximus taking me through my first battle. This was the game I had been waiting for! This game was a watershed moment in my PC gaming life, and for me, nothing has come remotely close to the TW series since (and god knows I've tried enough of its direct competitors).

Yes, the mods are a huge improvement on vanilla (well, you'd expect me to dsay that wouldn't you! ) but I've never had repeated the sheer awe that I experienced on playing through my first campaign as the Julii. It was a full twelvemonth before I stumbled across The Org, TWC and RTR, and in that time I happily played vanilla campaign after campaign, back to back, no other computer game has ever hooked me as much. So before you bash vanilla, try and put it into context, when it was released Rome was unique, there had never been anything quite like it.

I have played Rome, or a mod of Rome, nearly every day since it was released, and if I don't it's because I either can't get to my computer for some reason (work, holiday etc), or I'm playing another TW game! And today another chapter begins. As the PR guy for the Rome Total Realism team, it will be my pleasure, in a little under four hours, to post the thread that will release our new campaign, Fate of Empires (FOE). It's been two years in the making and even if it only gives one person the sheer joy of that watershed moment, it will have been worth it!

[Zarax]

It's easy to bash RTW and other CA products, however you have to notice one thing: The games have been built very much to be modded around and have lots of "hidden" features discovered.
I daresay that even today many of those haven't been fully explored, even by the bigger mods.

There's much more than meets the eye.

[seienchin]

Vanilla is great
Lorica segmentata are great
Egyptians axemen and pharao's grauds are great
germans axemen (and two handed axemen) are great,
cav. charges are impressive
No lag at all on full detail
More naval invasions than EB
And many hours of fun!

To compare Vanilla RTW and EB just for historical problem, it's like to compare a documentary movie about the Persian War and the movie 300.

Cheers to all...

Signature : A proud Duguntiz lost in a forest of prejudices...

Yeah and charriots work

[Duguntz]

Yeah and charriots work

oh, I forgot the chariots... they kick (insert here a word designing a part of the body situated a bit lower than the back that I can't name coz warning about my swearing rains on me...)

(Just a joke Ludens! i promessed i'd check me, i'll do it!)

anyway, seienchin's right, chariots also are great!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

The best from Vanilla...

Flaming pigs!

[Ibrahim]

You putted it rightly! Thanks for your eloquence

much better.

Has anyone mentioned the war Dogs and screaming women from RTW vanilla?

those were very exotic-even compared to Elephants, flaming pigs, or fanatic berserkers.

[lionhard]

I think its rediculous how everyonse debating if the vanilla version was good?, yes it was unit better things came out, units were not balanced and i thought that when playing back in the day.

[applebreath]

How someone defines "life" is extremely subjective/relative. That definition only matters to the individual defining it. If your "life" is in front of a PC all day, every day, so be it. Who is to say which "life" is better than another. Even "life" could be defined as a video game..

The only thing for certain is that one day we will all be gone from this world. Infinity awaits us all. Now is nothing but a blink of an eye, so do what makes you happy.

[Ludens]

This thread is a) going in circles; and b) inviting certain members to break the language rules. Time to close it.

Thread closed.