Shooting At Ft.Hood

[Vuk]

I'm afraid there is a fair precendent of people going on a bloody rampage in the US (and elsewhere) without a connection to Islam. Islamic extremists don't have a monopoly of violence in any context.

To my mind, he may have come to the opinion that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -or their implementation were unjust, or something he wanted no part in. As a civilian, he might have been a conscientious objector perhaps. It seems he repeatedly resisted posting to either war and in failing to avoid going, presumably he simply couldn't take it and snapped.

As a soldier, he had free access to the fort, training and presumably easy access to weapons.

Of course there are other motivation, but what I am saying is that this was his, so the others are really not important to this discussion unless they may have also motivated him. You make a good point, but you forget, was the reason he object because of his belief if radical islam? I think there is a good chance of that. If so, take radical islam away and there are no motivations for him to do this that we know of.

[al Roumi]

Of course there are other motivation, but what I am saying is that this was his, so the others are really not important to this discussion unless they may have also motivated him. You make a good point, but you forget, was the reason he object because of his belief if radical islam? I think there is a good chance of that. If so, take radical islam away and there are no motivations for him to do this that we know of.

I'm afraid I disagree, I think there are other reasons equally as plausible -if not more so- than "radical" Islam. See what Strike For The South just said on PTSD for one, I would add a couple of moral ones:

• Objection to the wars on the grounds of legitimacy (albeit strange for a soldier to let this stop them)
• Objection to the wars because of the suspect's identification with his Middle eastern or Muslim ancestory and culture and a desire to play no part in what could be perceived as harming it
• There are widespread reports of his devout religiosity. You probably know that Islam teaches against harming other Muslims -that's a perfectly plausible religious reason enough for him not to want to go to Iraq or Afghanistan

[Vuk]

I'm afraid I disagree, I think there are other reasons equally as plausible -if not more so- than "radical" Islam. See what Strike For The South just said on PTSD for one, I would add a couple of moral ones:

• Objection to the wars on the grounds of legitimacy (albeit strange for a soldier to let this stop them)
• Objection to the wars because of the suspect's identification with his Middle eastern or Muslim ancestory and culture and a desire to play no part in what could be perceived as harming it
• There are widespread reports of his devout religiosity. You probably know that Islam teaches against harming other Muslims -that's a perfectly plausible religious reason enough for him not to want to go to Iraq or Afghanistan

Yes, that is a religious reason for not wanting to go to Iraq, but what about murdering his fellow soldiers? Yeah, you are right, religious, but not the same type that most people follow.

[al Roumi]

Yes, that is a religious reason for not wanting to go to Iraq, but what about murdering his fellow soldiers?

Yeah but that's it, it's not a rational decision. Just like the sad list of rampages/massacres in schools and such, we write those perpertrators off as psycopaths/sociopaths.

Yeah, you are right, religious, but not the same type that most people follow.

I'm not sure I understand this, what do you mean?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It's possible that his religion was the tipping point. Not because being muslim makes people go crazy, but because it feeds into the inner conflict he may have had about the war/deployment/harrassment etc. I doubt we'll know unless we find a diary of some sort. So it's certainly part of the story.

But Vuk, by blaming radical islam you are putting the cart before the horse.

WTH? A shoutout??

So Mr George is frightened by slang, hand me a hanky.

[Vuk]

It's possible that his religion was the tipping point. Not because being muslim makes people go crazy, but because it feeds into the inner conflict he may have had about the war/deployment/harrassment etc. I doubt we'll know unless we find a diary of some sort. So it's certainly part of the story.

But Vuk, by blaming radical islam you are putting the cart before the horse.



So Mr George is frightened by slang, hand me a hanky.

Not necassarily, because his conflict over the war and deployment may be due to his religion. I don't know either way, which is why I have been careful to say "I think" etc. We will probably find out soon.