Lugian Swordsmen etc

**Ludens** · 11-07-2009, 16:12

Originally Posted by athanaric

I think the Kluddargos (Briton Swords Masters) were hotly debated some time ago...

Yes, and so were the Lugii. The problem is that the people who researched these units are no longer part of the team, so we can't ask them. For many units, particularly the older ones, there is no record of what sources were used in their conception, either. I understand the team will be more systematic in their use of sources for EB2.

**Macilrille** · 11-07-2009, 17:03

Originally Posted by Ludens

Yes, and so were the Lugii. The problem is that the people who researched these units are no longer part of the team, so we can't ask them. For many units, particularly the older ones, there is no record of what sources were used in their conception, either. I understand the team will be more systematic in their use of sources for EB2.

Do we have contact details for them? I never heard of La Tené swords being used two-handed or as hand-and-a-half swords and am mighty curious.

Thing is, I suspect these are the "Roman Ninja" of EB, so getting confirmation would be very nice indeed, but I also have reasons of my own.

**seienchin** · 11-07-2009, 17:17

Wouldnt the iron the celts used be extemly easy to break, if used in such a long shape?

**Olaf The Great** · 11-07-2009, 18:11

Oh no a speculation thread.

Guys, don't gut the Casse of their last remaining cool unit.

**Macilrille** · 11-07-2009, 18:30

Olaf, I have non-EB related reasons, but if the unit is ahistorical it does not belong here, whether it is "cool" or not. Roman Ninjas were "cool" as well...

**Olaf The Great** · 11-07-2009, 18:55

Originally Posted by Macilrille

Olaf, I have non-EB related reasons, but if the unit is ahistorical it does not belong here, whether it is "cool" or not. Roman Ninjas were "cool" as well...

How do we know if it's ahistorical? A guy that used to be in the team obviously knew a lot about it, I doubt anyone would make up "cool" units for EB1. Too bad they can't contact him and ask for sources anymore, but I'm sure that guy knew more than you.

**Ludens** · 11-07-2009, 19:12

Originally Posted by seienchin

Wouldnt the iron the celts used be extemly easy to break, if used in such a long shape?

The Celts were some of the best iron workers of the time, so if anyone could make such long swords, it was them. Of course it's not inconceivable that these swords were ceremonial or sacrificial objects rather than actual weapons. IIRC there are some ridiculously long Japanese swords gifted to shrines. I imagine these weapons would break if you tried to lift them (but you can't lift them because they are far too heavy).

Originally Posted by Macilrille

Do we have contact details for them? I never heard of La Tené swords being used two-handed or as hand-and-a-half swords and am mighty curious.

I am certain that the team would have contacted them if they could.

Originally Posted by Olaf The Great

How do we know if it's ahistorical? A guy that used to be in the team obviously knew a lot about it, I doubt anyone would make up "cool" units for EB1.

Not so long ago, a couple of guys argued that these units were made up. That discussion wasn't very civil. Let's not go there again. The units are being re-evaluated for EB2: if they appear again, the team should have sources ready to answer your questions.

**Tollheit** · 11-09-2009, 02:43

paullus on Lugians:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...3&postcount=48

**Power2the1** · 11-07-2009, 18:35

There are finds in the region where the Lugians lived with a sword/swords that are quite hefty, not slender like other blades. Until a time machine is invented we won't really know how that sword was wielded for sure, but could have been in some two-handed/bastard sword style, or it could have been a thick bladed one-handed sword. The Scordisci unit is backed by region finds of the greaves and the curved blade. There was a great article in Romanian and English on the finds of all this that I cannot find in my overflowing .pdf stash for some reason on the Scordisci unit. The Briton unit was, as already mentioned, a very debatable unit and the creators are no longer on the team.

EDIT: Yeah, the "cool factor" does not determine a unit in EB2