Shooting At Ft.Hood

[Strike For The South]

^ yeah there is a reason. for example at the naval academy they want more minority students so that the face of the officer corps reflects the enlisted. And the minority students are allowed to have lower grades and sat scores. Fair, no but neither is affirmative actions. Yeah really good way to run the military. being stupid doesn't get some office thing messed up , people can DIE

As ive said a million times the worst thing to be in america is a poor kid.

FIFY

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Actually, the article you posted implied that his religion did have something to do with it

Nope, absolutely nothing. No idea how anyone could think something like that.

[Centurion1]

sorry i left a really key part out of my post.

I said,

"as i said a million times the worst thing to be is a poor kid."
I meant to say a poor WHITE kid

that should explain things much better.

i assume strike that fify means something like DUH

EDIT: oh wait strike just changed my post in his quote. Disregard this above part. Yeah strike i see where your coming from but if you were applying to college and you were a poor white kid you would have as most of the same issues as a poor black kid but not near as many advantages.
Of course thanks to the lord i am not poor so i cant even really speculate on how it must be like

[Strike For The South]

sorry i left a really key part out of my post.

I said,

"as i said a million times the worst thing to be is a poor kid."
I meant to say a poor WHITE kid

that should explain things much better.

i assume strike that fify means something like DUH

Fixed it for You

How so? Being poor sucks in more ways than one and it doesn't really matter if you're black or white.

Poor is poor and a white kid who grew up in inner city Houston has it just as bad as a black boy from Appalachia.

Affrimative action is a dinosuar and does not address the uniuque problems of poverty we are experincing now. Besides the white will get plenty of cash simply for being poor. The whole system is Fubared.

If you have never been in poverty it becomes extremely diffucult to explain that it is so much more than money.

[Devastatin Dave]

nevermind

[Major Robert Dump]

nevermind

No Dave, don't edit, i want to hear what u have to say man.

I'm not defending what this dude did, and I think it has everything to do with his religion and extremism, but my point is that the current military adaption of EO makes it difficult for people who are not part of the protected class to speak up.

What I want to know....what i really want to know...is what retard thought it would be a good idea to put a muslim counselor in a position to counsel soldiers coming out of a war with muslims. I think probably, at some point, many people thought WTF???? but didn't or couldn't say anything because they were afraid of EO backlash.

[Devastatin Dave]

No Dave, don't edit, i want to hear what u have to say man.

I'm not defending what this dude did, and I think it has everything to do with his religion and extremism, but my point is that the current military adaption of EO makes it difficult for people who are not part of the protected class to speak up.

What I want to know....what i really want to know...is what retard thought it would be a good idea to put a muslim counselor in a position to counsel soldiers coming out of a war with muslims. I think probably, at some point, many people thought WTF???? but didn't or couldn't say anything because they were afraid of EO backlash.

The thing is, I don't want to ruin your argument by agreeing with you and poison your well thought out post about the EO abuses in the military that no one sees. I had the misfortune of rating 2 substandard females and having to lie on their EPRs out of fear of getting ####** by EO. One of the reasons I got out was because I could not do my job abymore without compremising my integrity. This happens a lot more than the outside world knows.

This cowardly murderer,

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

BECAUSE OF HIS RELIGION AND HIS STATEMENTS ABOUT HIS RELIGION THAT WAS REPORTED, KNOWN, AND INVESTIGATED

, should have never been put were he was or had the rank he had. He is a glaring example of how PC gets people killed.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

should have never been put were he was or had the rank he had. He is a glaring example of how PC gets people killed.

This is probably the best we can take away from this. With the other shootings, there were also obvious signs that were overlooked. You had the virginia tech guy getting recommended for mental treatment but being able to buy guns because he was never committed. The problem is usually people not reporting because they end up thinking it's not a big deal, you can't compound that by having people worried what will happen to them if they report.

[Husar]

Nope, his religion definitely had nothing to do with it. Nothing.

I also think people who harass me should have their throats cut.

[Major Robert Dump]

I certainly don't think the issue here is that he was teased into murder.....it's the military, everyone gets teased for one thing or another

I think the issue is that this guy never belonged in the first place, and despite his obvious anti-american views, certain doctrine kept him in the loop...not only in the loop. but in the officer corps...as a MAJOR...a major is no frikkin joke, that's not something u get overnight FFS, yet he managed to milk a career out of it and got free schooling and a commission and a rank higher than most non-muslim officers will ever see (most officers stop/retire at captain)

I still want to know who thought he would be an appropriate counselor in post deployment in the current wars, despite his religion.

Muslims simply have no place in the US Military right now. Given the protected status of minorities, it makes them practically untouchable in regards to complaints and grievances. The more shunned and minority you are, the more protected you are.

[Fragony]

This cowardly murderer,

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

BECAUSE OF HIS RELIGION AND HIS STATEMENTS ABOUT HIS RELIGION THAT WAS REPORTED, KNOWN, AND INVESTIGATED

, should have never been put were he was or had the rank he had. He is a glaring example of how PC gets people killed.

Agreed. This didn't have to happen

[al Roumi]

^ yeah there is a reason. for example at the naval academy they want more minority students so that the face of the officer corps reflects the enlisted. And the minority students are allowed to have lower grades and sat scores. Fair, no but neither is affirmative actions. Yeah really good way to run the military. being stupid doesn't get some office thing messed up , people can DIE

As ive said a million times the worst thing to be in america is a poor white kid.

Ah well, that's an excellent reason for having a Welfare state and some form of state provided health... But that's a whole other line of discussion -although it is ironic that many who bemoan the conditions of the white poor also disprove of state led interventions that would help them (Hello Mr&Mrs Republicans).

Back to the shooting, if this guy really was this extreme (the evidence is kind of irrefutable now) -and overtly so, it is mad that he was in the position he was and being asked to go to Afghanistan/Iraq.

Then again, I can't imagine why he would have stayed on either -if you don't agree with what you are being asked to do, get out!

[Fisherking]

It looks like he will survive.

I understand he is awake and talking to the medical staff...

This brings up another question.

Will he be court-martialed or will he face charges in a civilian court.

He faces a death sentence anyway you look at it.

I don’t know when the last time was that the Army imposed such a penalty or what methods they might use.

Federal or Texas Courts would use lethal injection.

We would get more news of events and motives in a court case but a surer and quicker verdict in a court-martial preceding.

[Fragony]

Firing squad hopefully, don't think there will be a lack of volunteers.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Pretty sure this will be handled in military system.

Military system used lethal injection now.

[Hosakawa Tito]

I still want to know who thought he would be an appropriate counselor in post deployment in the current wars, despite his religion.

Rest assured there will be a mad rush to the shredders to cya the senior ranks. What really bothers me is how this reluctance to see evil seems to trump the judgement of so many of our leaders.

"The malice of the wicked, is reinforced by the weakness of the virtuous." Churchill

[Fisherking]

Rest assured there will be a mad rush to the shredders to cya the senior ranks. What really bothers me is how this reluctance to see evil seems to trump the judgement of so many of our leaders.

Unfortunately, in our ever more legalistic and pc land, the Officer Corps of all the services have become ever more politicized.

It grows worse at the upper echelons of command but you can see the beginnings all the way down to company level.

Just as Politicians take cover from controversy, so do our Military Leaders.

It needs reformed, but so do a lot of things. And those making the rules have an interest in keeping things as they are.

[Lemur]

Unfortunately, in our ever more legalistic and pc land, the Officer Corps of all the services have become ever more politicized.

Was there ever a point in our history where the Officer Corps was not politicized? Especially as one works up the command chain? Coming from a military family, I can tell you that I see little functional difference between a Lieutenant General and a politician. Well, you can bet that the LtG is better educated, but that's about it.

Maybe you're making a more nuanced point that I'm missing?

Yes, based on evidence that's coming out, Nidal Malik Hasan should not have been a major, and probably should not have been wearing the uniform.

[Vladimir]

Was there ever a point in our history where the Officer Corps was not politicized? Especially as one works up the command chain? Coming from a military family, I can tell you that I see little functional difference between a Lieutenant General and a politician. Well, you can bet that the LtG is better educated, but that's about it.

Maybe you're making a more nuanced point that I'm missing?

Yes, based on evidence that's coming out, Nidal Malik Hasan should not have been a major, and probably should not have been wearing the uniform.

Lemur's right. Even the Greeks knew that generals were less soldiers and more politicians. I'd argue that the transformation process starts when you reach full colonel. Once you get the bird, all you want is the star.

[Devastatin Dave]

Was there ever a point in our history where the Officer Corps was not politicized? Especially as one works up the command chain? Coming from a military family, I can tell you that I see little functional difference between a Lieutenant General and a politician. Well, you can bet that the LtG is better educated, but that's about it.

Maybe you're making a more nuanced point that I'm missing?

Yes, based on evidence that's coming out, Nidal Malik Hasan should not have been a major, and probably should not have been wearing the uniform.

Wow, something I agree with you... wanna start dating again, its been a while.

[Fisherking]

Was there ever a point in our history where the Officer Corps was not politicized? Especially as one works up the command chain? Coming from a military family, I can tell you that I see little functional difference between a Lieutenant General and a politician. Well, you can bet that the LtG is better educated, but that's about it.

Maybe you're making a more nuanced point that I'm missing?

Yes, based on evidence that's coming out, Nidal Malik Hasan should not have been a major, and probably should not have been wearing the uniform.

General Officers have always had to pay attention to politics. That has ever been the case.

I am more talking about political correctness run amok.

When Field Grade and even Company Grade Officers are more concerned about smoking policy or tattoos than they are with the training and readiness of their units it is a problem.

Rather than promoting the people most knowledgeable and capable of leading, they pass over these people in favor of those who toe the pc line.

When leaders no longer have the gumption to tell it as it is but instead tell the commander what he wishes to hear, you have a huge problem.

You do not build a strong military by having everyone afraid to speak out when something is wrong. Particularly when it may not be the politic thing to do.

When the force is composed of only those who can say yes sir rather than suggest changes, or is not free to point out poor performance for fear of an EEO complaint.

All the information you get is good news. Nothing is ever wrong. The military says all is well , but would be better if they had more men and money...

Familiar?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

The military, at least in the USA, has been a government tool for social change (planned and unplanned) since the ACW if not before. It has always reflected the politics of the era in question, down to an including EEO complaints counting against your promotion chances in our current milieu.

Drives you nuts, but it isn't really new.

[Vuk]

Man o man, I just love BS PC.

[Fragony]

Well the anointed one has spoken, it was stress. Well, back to the order of the day shall we.

[Fisherking]

Stress?

Oh, what’s that mean?

They give him an Article 15 for Disorderly Conduct make him take a stress management course and send him back to duty?

[Fragony]

My bad he said that it could have been stress and that we should avoid drawing conclusions.

[Husar]

Yeah, should've thrown him out of the army so he would have gone on that rampage among civilians because clearly the lives of army personnel are worth much more than those of civilians. Or did I get something wrong here and muslim extremists stop being just that once you throw them out of the army for being muslim extremists?

I mean yeah, no place for extremists in the army but throwing them out does not solve the problem, does it? And how do people in the USA become muslim extremists anyway? Are there so many hate-preaching mullahs over there who preach at army bases converting the local muslims into terorists? Did his superiors turn him into one as a special surprise training exercise for the whole base? Was he abducted by muslim alien mullahs that changed his brain tubes to make him a terrorist? Or did he come up with the idea himself because it was too much fun living in the USA and the people around him were too good friends so that he thought it's too good to be true I gotta kill 'em all?

[Fragony]

Obama's reaction is the right one, let's wait until more facts come out even if things aren't looking good right now.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Obama's reaction is the right one, let's wait until more facts come out

I agree. We need to get to the bottom of this and then hang Hasan and his Imams.

[Devastatin Dave]

Yeah, should've thrown him out of the army so he would have gone on that rampage among civilians because clearly the lives of army personnel are worth much more than those of civilians. Or did I get something wrong here and muslim extremists stop being just that once you throw them out of the army for being muslim extremists?
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Then what would you suggest? If we lock them up then all the euroweenies and terrorist loving libs will scream louder than a Code Pink hussy in front of a Marine recruiting center. Please, Ole Wise One, give us the wisdom to correct our Barbaric and simple ways. Cure us of our ignorance and bring forth the enlightenment that we've yet to discover.