Roman campaign

**Marcus Ulpius** · 11-13-2009, 23:00

Well, the diplomacy is non-existent at any difficulty level. After some time the AI will refuse any ceasefire, or will make ridiculous demands (like demanding a tribute for ending the war, while being torn to pieces). Sometimes I think what a wonderful game would be RTW EB with EU diplomacy.

**lionhard** · 11-14-2009, 16:56

Whats EU?

**Blxz** · 11-14-2009, 19:25

Originally Posted by lionhard

Whats EU?

EU is a game that claims to have beautiful diplomacy but has a similar major failing as TW games. Some wars end up being 50 - 80% and the only way to end them is by suggesting a white peace. Stupid AI refuses peace sometimes. Frustrating.

**Marcus Ulpius** · 11-14-2009, 23:39

Originally Posted by Blxz

EU is a game that claims to have beautiful diplomacy but has a similar major failing as TW games. Some wars end up being 50 - 80% and the only way to end them is by suggesting a white peace. Stupid AI refuses peace sometimes. Frustrating.

EU diplomacy is not perfect, but in most cases is reasonable and plays an important role in the game. On the other hand, in RTW you could remove the diplomacy altogether and you'd hardly notice that. I understand that EU and RTW are not the same type of game, but in RTW at least some diplomacy could be expected. Unfortunately, there's none.

P.S. Btw, EU = Europa Universalis.

P.P.S. My 200th post :)

**Leão magno** · 11-17-2009, 19:53

Try force diplomacy. I was not sure about it so I did not used it for long, but now, I am loving the idea of shaping diplomacy my way (not necessarily in my favor).

**Cambyses** · 11-18-2009, 20:33

Originally Posted by Blxz

EU is a game that claims to have beautiful diplomacy but has a similar major failing as TW games. Some wars end up being 50 - 80% and the only way to end them is by suggesting a white peace. Stupid AI refuses peace sometimes. Frustrating.

Come on, the diplomacy in EU is vastly superior to TW. A "white peace" is also a very common solution in real life peace deals, when one side is not prepared to actually surrender. Although Im not sure the small gains you get from winning most wars are necessarily more realistic - in game terms they are an excellent way of slowing down the human player from expanding too quickly.

Anyway, back on topic. The best settings for an experienced player that wants a challenge without having to play in a gamey way is IMO very hard campaign / hard battles. Most people can win in their sleep on medium, so you do need to give the AI some kind of advantage! The higher casualties at hard level also tend to help slow your advance down and even occassionally make you lose *shock, horror, gasp*.

**lionhard** · 11-19-2009, 00:28

If only their was a mod that would give the AI a brain to field better armies making sure a suitable family member or general led them it would be a good enough challenge

**seienchin** · 11-18-2009, 18:14

Originally Posted by Marcus Ulpius

Well, the diplomacy is non-existent at any difficulty level. After some time the AI will refuse any ceasefire, or will make ridiculous demands (like demanding a tribute for ending the war, while being torn to pieces). Sometimes I think what a wonderful game would be RTW EB with EU diplomacy.

Thats not true.
I fought so many battles in EB and the AI always asked for peace after some time. On Hard mode.
My problem with VH is that every Ai factions is activly working against the player if hes is near to them and completly ignores the other AI factions.

**lionhard** · 11-18-2009, 18:47

ser my problem with hard mode is that the AI factions dont seem to want to fight each other, so i have recently started very hard mode, to try and get the aggression between AI factions higher, Also its more of a challenge i read due to the AI spawning more men and teching up faster