Preventing joycamptours - a piece of advice for mods

[Beskar]

I'm certainly not one of them, I noticed in my discussion with Louis I used "we" and "the Germans" interchangeably, I'm a German, but not one of the Germans who did that. If my dad snapped and murdered my mom, would I have to apologize to my sister?

Actually, if your Dad snapped and killed some one elses Mother, would you have to apologise to their daughter?

Now your question is far more clouded and closer to the situation.

On one-hand, you never did it, so you could try to argue not. However, if you feel your father did something really bad, you could apologise condemning your father for what he did and let the daughter know your whole family isn't a bunch of brutes.

[Cronos Impera]

Without taboos there would not be a single human alive.

General use taboo:
You never ask your parents about their sexual experience.


Taboos are a healthy, civilised thing which keep cheeky weaklings from getting into trouble.It also keeps the structure intact.Wtihout them nations dissolve into individuals who form other nations and so on.

I posted Loius a message on the personal profile to deal with his provocations in the Backroom, where nothingains are popular and the mods more patient with a certain tone and style. All gentlemen, regardless of personal characteristics are invited to view it, have a good time and add it to favorites.

Simple principles which would make WW2 threads redundant

Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.
All animals are equal and humans are animals.

So far, no WW2 thread has expressed this rules and we all get in a spiral. That would have ended A-worse-than-B, 9 million > 6 million and that kind of pathetic, imature replies. Don't make me dig for dirt.

Instead on focusing on technical parts such as equipment, food habits and such most threads start with "That guy killed a whole village of that people, if you are a member of his tribe you should be ashamed." Than that guy comes with his bodycount and we all end up in a bodycount thread, with grousome execution details.Then we all end up with a horrible nausea and start blaming the other side for throwing the first rock.Then the mods get tired eventually and close the thread.

Does it worth a byte's length to fill the board with this kind of stuff?

Some history is for the family/tribe/nation....use other non-controversial stuff like sarissa-length, military tactics used in the Maccabe uprising, the War of the Roses, and wars in general from a time when factions ware centered around other criteria then today. When mighty dynasties clashed, when the Ptolemaioi and Seleukidiai mobilised the whole middle east.When Afghanistan was Hellenic/Kushan/Persian or when pirates threatened whole nations with their colossal fleets.
Not waste energy on controversial nothingains which turn the Monastery into a semi-respectable Backroom for instant gratification.It doesn't help you develop personal skills or a firm morality.

[Beskar]

General use taboo:
You never ask your parents about their sexual experience.

Your parents usually tell you about the moralities of sex, and sometimes speak from experience. Asking them about sexual experience can be done in a grown up and mature manner. Your parent might admit to mistakes, and using this, help a child learn and possibly not to repeat them.

Such a General-use-Taboo if anything is incorrect, and only goes into unessential prudishness if the original question was actually mature.

I believe you can ask any one who is actually a parent on the .org, if their child comes to that age where you talk about sex, if they would discuss it with their child in an adult manner, I would think the answer would be yes.

Again, you could argue it is about culture. When I was younger, I spoke to my parents in a mature and adult way about sex, there was a bit of a joke to it as well, but yes. These things were discussed, including other things related such as relationships and love. Being able to talk to your children helps them learn and understand, it makes you into a good parent.

Only taboo to it, would be the "wrong time and place" and if you are only being immature about it. Then again, shouldn't the taboo be "don't be immature" opposed to the alternative of banning it altogether?

So in short, opposed to just banning certain things, should you just ban "being immature on the subject" ?

[Cronos Impera]

The greatest difficulty I guess is responding in a mature way to an imature post.
When the guy beside you posts about why his cows are more sacred than yours and shoves you that post in your throat you ban him.

When the incident repeats itself a couple of times you grow tired of a case-to-case aproach and start locking threads (In EB we lock threads when they have a negative potential). The Org is about getting the best out of its members, despite their potential. Its simply not about getting the worse of Orgahs.

[Meneldil]

Instead on focusing on technical parts such as equipment, food habits and such most threads start with "That guy killed a whole village of that people, if you are a member of his tribe you should be ashamed." Than that guy comes with his bodycount and we all end up in a bodycount thread, with grousome execution details.Then we all end up with a horrible nausea and start blaming the other side for throwing the first rock.Then the mods get tired eventually and close the thread.

And what about the thousands of people who don't give a freaking damn about the technical parts of the war but are interested in the social and human aspects? I'm really not interested about who had the best WWII2 tank, who was the best general and who had the best tactic. There's a reason why WWII will be remembered for a long time, and it's certainly not because the T-34 was better than the SOMUA S-2.

This topic is full of bollox. Can't stand the discussion? Don't discuss. When people are too annoying for me, I simply leave a thread, and come back again at a later point if I feel more relaxed about it.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I posted Loius a message on the personal profile to deal with his provocations

I've thought long and hard about all of this. I have a thousand different thoughts. Which I am too lazy to repeat here.

I am not going to open a seperate thread. Nothing good will come of it, for a number of reasons.

If you are really interested in discussing modern Romanian history, open some thread and I shall happily oblige.

If your interest however is in trying to ensure that Romanian history is not discussed, then sorry. This is a historical war games forum, so history of wars is a natural discussion topic. And when the subject comes up, I will continue to describe Romania as a fascist Nazi ally that murdered hundreds of thousands of Jews and other minorities of its own accord.

[Cronos Impera]

I've thought long and hard about all of this. I have a thousand different thoughts. Which I am too lazy to repeat here.

I am not going to open a seperate thread. Nothing good will come of it, for a number of reasons.

If you are really interested in discussing modern Romanian history, open some thread and I shall happily oblige.

If your interest however is in trying to ensure that Romanian history is not discussed, then sorry. This is a historical war games forum, so history of wars is a natural discussion topic. And when the subject comes up, I will continue to describe Romania as a fascist Nazi ally that murdered hundreds of thousands of Jews and other minorities of its own accord.

You're the Senior Member. I myself can't start the thread. Its a privilage I'm giving to you as a senior member. Follow my guidelines and we'll have a healthy positive discussion. Ulike yourself, I haven't even deployed my grenadiers. You're still in Fussilier skirmishing mode, Monsieur.

Just like I said: it is you vs. me without anyone else.

Edit: I guess you're refusing the privilage and I have to start the thread myself (I'll post the rules in the first post).

[Beskar]

I know this isn't the most reliable source, but what Louis claimed is also supported by Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...a#World_War_II

Which cites:

International Commission on the Holocaust in Romania (November 11, 2004). "Executive Summary: Historical Findings and Recommendations" (PDF). Final Report of the International Commission on the Holocaust in Romania. Yad Vashem (The Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Authority). http://yad-vashem.org.il/about_yad/w...VE_SUMMARY.pdf. Retrieved 2006-07-25.

Also at the time, Romania was part of the Axis powers.

What Louis says isn't that inaccurate. Even then, if you have issues with him personally, take it up in PM, the Forum isn't your personal war ground.

[Cronos Impera]

We allready have a precedent on the Backroom and I fail to see how this would constitute a war ground.
Debates are a healthy thing if started in the Backroom and with a mature ration.

I think we can test his objectivity and/or possibly validate the premises of this thread.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Cronos, you're a very strange person...

[Husar]

On one-hand, you never did it, so you could try to argue not. However, if you feel your father did something really bad, you could apologise condemning your father for what he did and let the daughter know your whole family isn't a bunch of brutes.

The latter can be expressed without apologizing.

[Beskar]

The latter can be expressed without apologizing.

Indeed, though some link the condemnation of what occurred to apologising. There are many people who don't condemn wrongs sometimes, and even try to support the doings of lets say the father in the example, as he stands up in court and pleads 'Not Guilty'.

So it really depends.

[Sevis]

Hmm, seems like I'm late once again. Just to reply to the more interesting spots:

1) you keep objectivity in the Monastery (no more biased content or passionate arguments)

Passionate arguments are good, as long as neither side gets angry or upset - the more effort put into a discussion, the richer it will be. As for biased content - if you can prove it is biased, do so, and disregard it further. If you can't, why are you calling it biased?

2) Orgahs can focus on safer periods (Antiquity, Middle Ages, Early Colonial Age,Pirate Age)

I really don't see this as a benefit. They already have that right - now you're going to force it on them? No thanks.

3) A friendlier enviroment for everyone by a simple taboo (everyone here has had a disturbing experience but seeing poping threads like "OMG, X ware persecuted in 19XX, how nasty ware those Y" is simply too insulting for some members

The problem isn't in the time period. "OMG, X were prosecuted in 18XX, how nasty were those Y" is no better. Both should be locked (imho, or given a shove in the right direction) for lack of objectivity and not stating sources. "Simply too insulting" is missing the point - such discussion is, as far as I can tell, against the rules of the monastery. If "Such book states these people were prosecuted in <year>, let's look at the politics of the time" is too much for you, I'd say the problem isn't in the thread.

4) Allow our grand-grandchildren to delve into the Modern Age History

Quite the opposite. There is a reasonable chance this forum will be archived somewhere - by seeing what was being said about the politics at the time they were happening, they'll get a much better view than from merely reading the texts published in this time.

Taboos are a healthy, civilised thing which keep cheeky weaklings from getting into trouble.

Trouble that is created merely by the existence of the taboo - to use your example, if it would not be considered taboo to talk to your parents about their sexual experiences, nobody would think you strange or rude for doing it.

It also keeps the structure intact.Wtihout them nations dissolve into individuals who form other nations and so on.

So, not abiding to taboos means you start thinking for yourself. Gee, that really is an awful thing to do.

Simple principles which would make WW2 threads redundant

Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.
All animals are equal and humans are animals.

Actually, "If they're not listening, stop talking" and "Making yourself look smart is better than making the opponent look stupid" seem far better principles.