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    Quote Originally Posted by machinor View Post
    Since insignia in coins are often used as faction symbols I googled for Boii coins. I found this replica of an existing coin:
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    The motif on the right could be the one on the Occultus signature Moros posted. The revealed section above the "c" could be a nose.
    Yeah I had a look at that pic too, wasn't convinced though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ibrahim View Post
    that's a lion's head on there! a lion's head! (notice the snout at the front)!

    now whether that's a full lion or not I dunno. but if it is, it leaves a few options. what they are, I dunno
    I can't really see it, care to explain further?
    If it is a lion's head the a really goood candidate would be the Kingdom of Kartli.

    It is actually suppposed to be a wolf but it looks quite lion like.


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    It looks very Celtic to me too. Because it is Moros' signature, I would say it's probably Belgic. But that's just guesswork with a bit of logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horatius Flaccus View Post
    It looks very Celtic to me too. Because it is Moros' signature, I would say it's probably Belgic. But that's just guesswork with a bit of logic.

    *looking for evidence right now*
    Looks like Epeiros to me...

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    Looks like Epeiros to me...
    Givin' a hint?
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    For the one Moros provided, the form to the left (near the O), looks like a jaguar or panther or leopard (just one of those big cats, I know some of those aren't indiginous to the old world)

    Just throwing it out there.

    Also the lion observation comes from the v-shape above the s, whoch kind of looks like a lion's snout at 3/4 view.

    So it could be possibly a multi-headed cat-like...thing.

    EDIT: Is it at all possible that it is depicting a cerberus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Owen Glyndwr View Post
    EDIT: Is it at all possible that it is depicting a cerberus?
    I thought that too when I first saw it and then the Epiros mention makes me think that even more. Remember the Epirotes generals have a cerberus on their shields. I don't know what that might mean, Syracuse maybe?
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    this one is harder apparantly

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    To me this seems definetly like a Celtic simbol....
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    SNG Vol: VII 559 Manchester University Museum
    State: Syracuse State: Syracuse
    Ruler: Name: Hieron II Ruler: Name: Hieron II
    OBV Description: Persephone. REV Description: Butting bull; above, club. OBV Description: Persephone. REV Description: Butting bull; above, club.
    REV Inscription: IE REV Inscription: IE
    REV Secondary Inscription: T REV Secondary Inscription: T
    Period: 3rd cent -300 -200 Period: 3rd cent -300 -200
    Die Axis in numbers: 3 Die Axis in degrees: 90 Metal: AE Weight: 6.35 Die Axis in numbers: 3 Die Axis in degrees: 90 Metal: AE Weight: 6.35
    Wear: Very worn Cast or Struck: Struck Wear: Very worn or Struck Cast: Struck
    Acquisition: Acquisition:
    Manner of Acquisition: Purchase Auction House: Sotheby Date of First Day: 20/12/1920 Lot Number: 216 Manner of Acquisition: Purchase Auction House: Sotheby Date of First Day: 20/12/1920 Lot Number: 216
    ID: SNGuk_0700_0559 ID: SNGuk_0700_0559


    SNG Vol: VIII 224 Blackburn Museum
    State: Syracuse State: Syracuse
    Ruler: Name: Agathocles Ruler: Name: Agathocles
    REV Symbol: above, mono REV Symbol: above, mono
    OBV Description: Persephone l. REV Description: Bull butting l.; above, club. OBV Description: Persephone L. Rev Description: Bull butting l., above, club.
    OBV Inscription: [SURAKOSIVN] REV Inscription: IE OBV Inscription: [SURAKOSIVN] REV Inscription: IE
    Period: Last quarter 4th cent. Period: Last quarter 4th cent. -325 -300 -325 -300
    Die Axis in numbers: 4 Die Axis in degrees: 120 Diameter: 19.5mm Metal: AE Weight: 5.9 Die Axis in numbers: 4 Die Axis in degrees: 120 Diameter: 19.5mm Metal: AE Weight: 5.9
    Wear: Worn Cast or Struck: Struck Wear: Worn or Struck Cast: Struck
    Reference: Reference:
    Title: The Bronze Coinage of Agathocles Article Pages: 87-95 Type: Edited Book Article Auth/Ed: Ross Holloway, R. In Publication: 1162 Pages: 94f Title: The Bronze Coinage of Agathocles Article Pages: 87-95 Type: Edited Book Article Auth / Ed: Ross Holloway, R. In Publication: 1162 Pages: 94f
    ID: SNGuk_0800_0224 ID: SNGuk_0800_0224


    1083 - Sicily. Siracusa. Syracuse. Gerone II (274-216 aC). AE 18 mm. Hieron II (274-216 BC).




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    So that is why I say: SYRACUSE

    edit: nevermind..
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbin View Post
    Yeah I had a look at that pic too, wasn't convinced though.



    I can't really see it, care to explain further?
    If it is a lion's head the a really goood candidate would be the Kingdom of Kartli.

    It is actually suppposed to be a wolf but it looks quite lion like.
    well, as Owen said lately, I noticed the nose and the tail of the thing (nose above s, the tail above and behind O.)

    but yeah, what of the hump on the U area? that really confuses stuff.

    how about nabatean coins? any lions on them? (I'm not saying this is nabataea, but hey, its possible). your suggestion of Kartli though looks promising.

    @Owen: Leopard. Jaguars are new world, and Panthers are just over colored leopards (or jaguars). they're black from too much melanin in their fur.
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    Yeah, I realize that now. I was in class when I posted that, and spent the rest of the hour doing research on big cats hehe.

    Found a few coins with a "panther" on them, but nothing with a panther and a lion.

    I was briefly thinking it was maybe a Herakles type thing with a lion mounted on his head (though probably not.)
    "You must know, then, that there are two methods of fight, the one by law, the other by force: the first method is that of men, the second of beasts; but as the first method is often insufficient, one must have recourse to the second. It is therefore necessary for a prince to know well how to use both the beast and the man.
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