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    SNG Vol: VII 559 Manchester University Museum
    State: Syracuse State: Syracuse
    Ruler: Name: Hieron II Ruler: Name: Hieron II
    OBV Description: Persephone. REV Description: Butting bull; above, club. OBV Description: Persephone. REV Description: Butting bull; above, club.
    REV Inscription: IE REV Inscription: IE
    REV Secondary Inscription: T REV Secondary Inscription: T
    Period: 3rd cent -300 -200 Period: 3rd cent -300 -200
    Die Axis in numbers: 3 Die Axis in degrees: 90 Metal: AE Weight: 6.35 Die Axis in numbers: 3 Die Axis in degrees: 90 Metal: AE Weight: 6.35
    Wear: Very worn Cast or Struck: Struck Wear: Very worn or Struck Cast: Struck
    Acquisition: Acquisition:
    Manner of Acquisition: Purchase Auction House: Sotheby Date of First Day: 20/12/1920 Lot Number: 216 Manner of Acquisition: Purchase Auction House: Sotheby Date of First Day: 20/12/1920 Lot Number: 216
    ID: SNGuk_0700_0559 ID: SNGuk_0700_0559


    SNG Vol: VIII 224 Blackburn Museum
    State: Syracuse State: Syracuse
    Ruler: Name: Agathocles Ruler: Name: Agathocles
    REV Symbol: above, mono REV Symbol: above, mono
    OBV Description: Persephone l. REV Description: Bull butting l.; above, club. OBV Description: Persephone L. Rev Description: Bull butting l., above, club.
    OBV Inscription: [SURAKOSIVN] REV Inscription: IE OBV Inscription: [SURAKOSIVN] REV Inscription: IE
    Period: Last quarter 4th cent. Period: Last quarter 4th cent. -325 -300 -325 -300
    Die Axis in numbers: 4 Die Axis in degrees: 120 Diameter: 19.5mm Metal: AE Weight: 5.9 Die Axis in numbers: 4 Die Axis in degrees: 120 Diameter: 19.5mm Metal: AE Weight: 5.9
    Wear: Worn Cast or Struck: Struck Wear: Worn or Struck Cast: Struck
    Reference: Reference:
    Title: The Bronze Coinage of Agathocles Article Pages: 87-95 Type: Edited Book Article Auth/Ed: Ross Holloway, R. In Publication: 1162 Pages: 94f Title: The Bronze Coinage of Agathocles Article Pages: 87-95 Type: Edited Book Article Auth / Ed: Ross Holloway, R. In Publication: 1162 Pages: 94f
    ID: SNGuk_0800_0224 ID: SNGuk_0800_0224


    1083 - Sicily. Siracusa. Syracuse. Gerone II (274-216 aC). AE 18 mm. Hieron II (274-216 BC).




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    So that is why I say: SYRACUSE

    edit: nevermind..
    Last edited by Olimpian; 11-21-2009 at 13:08. Reason: stupid thingy

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    SNG Vol: VII 559 Manchester University Museum
    State: Syracuse State: Syracuse
    Ruler: Name: Hieron II Ruler: Name: Hieron II
    OBV Description: Persephone. REV Description: Butting bull; above, club. OBV Description: Persephone. REV Description: Butting bull; above, club.
    REV Inscription: IE REV Inscription: IE
    REV Secondary Inscription: T REV Secondary Inscription: T
    Period: 3rd cent -300 -200 Period: 3rd cent -300 -200
    Die Axis in numbers: 3 Die Axis in degrees: 90 Metal: AE Weight: 6.35 Die Axis in numbers: 3 Die Axis in degrees: 90 Metal: AE Weight: 6.35
    Wear: Very worn Cast or Struck: Struck Wear: Very worn or Struck Cast: Struck
    Acquisition: Acquisition:
    Manner of Acquisition: Purchase Auction House: Sotheby Date of First Day: 20/12/1920 Lot Number: 216 Manner of Acquisition: Purchase Auction House: Sotheby Date of First Day: 20/12/1920 Lot Number: 216
    ID: SNGuk_0700_0559 ID: SNGuk_0700_0559


    SNG Vol: VIII 224 Blackburn Museum
    State: Syracuse State: Syracuse
    Ruler: Name: Agathocles Ruler: Name: Agathocles
    REV Symbol: above, mono REV Symbol: above, mono
    OBV Description: Persephone l. REV Description: Bull butting l.; above, club. OBV Description: Persephone L. Rev Description: Bull butting l., above, club.
    OBV Inscription: [SURAKOSIVN] REV Inscription: IE OBV Inscription: [SURAKOSIVN] REV Inscription: IE
    Period: Last quarter 4th cent. Period: Last quarter 4th cent. -325 -300 -325 -300
    Die Axis in numbers: 4 Die Axis in degrees: 120 Diameter: 19.5mm Metal: AE Weight: 5.9 Die Axis in numbers: 4 Die Axis in degrees: 120 Diameter: 19.5mm Metal: AE Weight: 5.9
    Wear: Worn Cast or Struck: Struck Wear: Worn or Struck Cast: Struck
    Reference: Reference:
    Title: The Bronze Coinage of Agathocles Article Pages: 87-95 Type: Edited Book Article Auth/Ed: Ross Holloway, R. In Publication: 1162 Pages: 94f Title: The Bronze Coinage of Agathocles Article Pages: 87-95 Type: Edited Book Article Auth / Ed: Ross Holloway, R. In Publication: 1162 Pages: 94f
    ID: SNGuk_0800_0224 ID: SNGuk_0800_0224


    1083 - Sicily. Siracusa. Syracuse. Gerone II (274-216 aC). AE 18 mm. Hieron II (274-216 BC).




    Roma Surrectum Minor factions (Syracuse) preview



    So that is why I say: SYRACUSE

    edit: nevermind..
    Hm... I certainly hope thats the case. I think Syracuse is a faction a lot of people are hoping for.

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    Default Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?

    It would be too easy to just look at RS2 shields and so guess all occultus sigs right.
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    Default Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skullheadhq View Post
    It would be too easy to just look at RS2 shields and so guess all occultus sigs right.
    Just because that was succeeded once, I don't see why it must do again. Take a look, you won't be able to find all the answers there.

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    It looks Celtic to me too.
    And guys, have you noticed this? https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...4&postcount=60

    So I would say some celtiberian tribe like Arevaci.



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    Quote Originally Posted by hekk View Post
    Hm... I certainly hope thats the case. I think Syracuse is a faction a lot of people are hoping for.
    its not: the tail area and that nose kinda ruin the bull theory. at least for now.
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    I had a hunch. The font they used for this sig is "Yggdrasil" (last of the Word fonts). Now,:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil

    So we have the sacred tree of the Norse.

    Also: http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Yggdrasil

    Quote: "Germanic cultural fondness for tree symbolism appears to have been widespread, with other patron trees such as Thor's Oak appearing in surviving accounts (8th century)"

    Then: http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Thor%27s-Oak

    So the hidden symbol could look something like this (more or less):





    That is why I say: CHATTI

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    Default Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?

    That could be any Germanic faction. Then again any Germanic faction would be good, Chatti would be great, though perhaps the team goes for a more distant Germanic faction then again Germania was similar to Greece in earlier time, many loose states warring against eachother so having a couple of powerfull factions there would be somewhat Historical.

    Still hoping on an Batavian unit.

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    imo a bit far fetched as it solely relies on the font(which is a vaild clue tho) and the world tree was not only holy to the Chatti ... but you know that.
    that definately is the least conclusive sig of them all, I can't even see consistency in any way, with the hint towards the germanics or factions with the "barbarian" culture slot, those stripes could be seen as Trees on the other Sigs I could atleast differnenciate between Logo and background but not with this one.
    Chatti would be cool indeed especially as it would support my positon in an other mod :DDD
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    I'd say that the use of coin imagery as EB faction symbols has provided numismatics with the greatest popularity boost since... ever!
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