Faction strengths?

[retep219]

So what is techniclly the difference between persian heavy cav and cataphracts?

In the case of the unit to which I were referring, it's the amount of armor. Compare



who is only armored in the front, with these two units: Hellenic Cataphracts and Grivpanvar, respectively



Grivpanvar ARE usually considered to be the game's best cavalry and cost about 1.7 times as much as the Persians. They have a 5 attack lance, 11-attack sword with .225 lethality, and 36 defence. Hellenic cataphracts are probably the game's worst cataphracts (According to their unit description, I didn't actually compare stats) with a 4-attack lance, 9-attack AP sword with .11 lethality, and 31 defence. Only thirteen morale, though. Kinsmen have the same stats, but they only have 25 defence. So that's the difference in game terms at least.

[Ca Putt]

Very nice list tho I think Pahlava's discription can be summed up in one word: CATAPHRACTS!

Kinsmen are not bad tho just "only" heavy Cavalry and no uber elite Cataphracts. o

[Cute Wolf]

Although in reality (when you playing as Pontus or Hay) the Khuveshavangan CAN DEFEAT CATAPHRACTS on their secondary weapons and better mobility.... their horses is a bit faster, and that means you could sent the first terrible blow...

[seienchin]

In Eb reality eastern axeman defeat cataphracts...

[Beckis Robertus Californicus]

Ive been playing AS on VH/H and those damned Palava have swiped 5 regions. Argh. They have been the bain of my existence on my Eastern front.

I managed to develop a decent family member general with an experienced stack and a lone Palava general with 5 stars smoked him, because I was too confident and too lazy to fight him and expected an auto win.

[Grade_A_Beef]

Necroing......still, it's better than creating a redundant topic.

In any case I had a relatively easy time against the Pahlava when I was AS. I just teched up to stone walls, and then got a garrison of roughly 3-4 pantodapoi phalangitai (these are just a precaution) and around 5 slingers. You can then just wall up and sally every turn, decimating their nomad army.

It definitely won't kill their armored generals until you have perhaps gold chevroned slingers, but in general you can take out any sort of infantry attacking the walls before they even reach the it.

You pretty much stall until you're ready at the two cities south of Asaak, although the Pahlava only occasionally attack the city that starts with a Z (can't remember) and the province east of Nisa.

Granted you'll be stunting the growths of those cities until you're ready, but your main economic powerhouse lies in Mesopotamia and Asia Minor anyhow, so there's no real worries.

[anubis88]

Necroing......still, it's better than creating a redundant topic.

In any case I had a relatively easy time against the Pahlava when I was AS. I just teched up to stone walls, and then got a garrison of roughly 3-4 pantodapoi phalangitai (these are just a precaution) and around 5 slingers. You can then just wall up and sally every turn, decimating their nomad army.

It definitely won't kill their armored generals until you have perhaps gold chevroned slingers, but in general you can take out any sort of infantry attacking the walls before they even reach the it.

You pretty much stall until you're ready at the two cities south of Asaak, although the Pahlava only occasionally attack the city that starts with a Z (can't remember) and the province east of Nisa.

Granted you'll be stunting the growths of those cities until you're ready, but your main economic powerhouse lies in Mesopotamia and Asia Minor anyhow, so there's no real worries.

Yeah, this is a real exploit when playing with AS.

However there is nothing more frustrating than attacking a nomad faction, with a lot of archers and horse archers, + a few cata FMs.

When playing with AS i had a huge battle against the pahlava and quit 10 minutes in, becouse i just couldn't wait and see my man getting slaughthered

[Grade_A_Beef]

Yeah....they are very annoying to fight. Thank god I didn't spend much time with them as they were locked down at four provinces (Asaak, their original provinces, and the one to the north.) Asaak, thank god, is heavily forested as well. Although it isn't favorable for phlanxes, it's even less so for cavalry, particularly missile cavalry.

[J.R.M]

Yea, HA´s are a real trouble, thank god the AI is stupid, imagine how it could be if it was smart?!.

[artavazd]

In the case of the unit to which I were referring, it's the amount of armor. Compare



who is only armored in the front, with these two units: Hellenic Cataphracts and Grivpanvar, respectively



Grivpanvar ARE usually considered to be the game's best cavalry and cost about 1.7 times as much as the Persians. They have a 5 attack lance, 11-attack sword with .225 lethality, and 36 defence. Hellenic cataphracts are probably the game's worst cataphracts (According to their unit description, I didn't actually compare stats) with a 4-attack lance, 9-attack AP sword with .11 lethality, and 31 defence. Only thirteen morale, though. Kinsmen have the same stats, but they only have 25 defence. So that's the difference in game terms at least.

The late Armenian bodyguard unit matches up nicely withthe Grivpanvar, plus the Arm. Cataphract has an AP mace.