Is Hitler the only racist left?

[HoreTore]

Link only in Norwegian, sorry

So, our Crown Prince and hoeCrown Princess has decided to take a trip to Africa, visit some national leaders, look at some african stuff and generally feel more cultured than before. This being 2009 and the age of information, they of course posted this on their facebook fan page. Now the fun begins though. The second leader of the Progress Party in Moss, Roger Madsen, posted a comment on that, saying "Try visiting the orient instead of Africa. From there you only get halfmonkeys."

Honestly. When you consider africans as half monkey, ie. as much animal as human, and generally unable to function in human society because of their genetics, how on earth can this man be anything but racist? According to his party's seniors, this was just an "unfortunate comment" from Madsen. He's not racist, and the Progress Party does not have any racists among their ranks. Madsen also stated that "posting his comment in that place might not have been the best idea, and he would post things like that elsewhere in the future". Yeah.... That's a relief.

So, is this guy a racist in your opinions? Or his Hitler himself the only one of that kind left?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Racist isn't a description. It's more of a judgement.

[Beefy187]

I think it was tasteless thing to say as man with such an influence.
But in general, I think its only racist if the ones being offended took it seriously.

[Megas Methuselah]

It must be comfortin' to know such an influential man in the government has such interestin' personal opinions on Africans.

But in general, I think its only racist if the ones being offended took it seriously.

Huh?

[Papewaio]

Actually you have mis-read the comment. He is saying Asians are "only half-monkeys", implying that Africans are "full monkeys".

Easy way to see if this is racist is reverse that comment.

"Try visiting Denmark instead of Norway. From there you only get halfmonkeys." or whatever demeaning term that is sometimes applied to those of Nordic descent.

I would say Roger Madsen would be charged with racial vilification if he was in Australia. I think Asian and Africa and Australia should put an embargo on Norway until he is removed from office and an apology is given out. I for one will start my own avoidance of Norwegian products today. Easy as I prefer Danish Buttercookies.

Have a nice weekend... I'm going home to my 'Half monkey wife and quarter monkey child with the Swedish surname."

Yes the guy is a vile racist.

[aimlesswanderer]

Oh dear, not exactly a good look is it? Perhaps he should refrain from, visiting, oh, most of the world, where varieties of monkeys abound. I am not sure if anyone has called me a half monkey before, that is a new one.

[Megas Methuselah]

I hope he comes over here and gives me a banana.

[Sigurd]

Actually you have mis-read the comment. He is saying Asians are "only half-monkeys", implying that Africans are "full monkeys".

Easy way to see if this is racist is reverse that comment.

"Try visiting Denmark instead of Norway. From there you only get halfmonkeys." or whatever demeaning term that is sometimes applied to those of Nordic descent.

I would say Roger Madsen would be charged with racial vilification if he was in Australia. I think Asian and Africa and Australia should put an embargo on Norway until he is removed from office and an apology is given out. I for one will start my own avoidance of Norwegian products today. Easy as I prefer Danish Buttercookies.

Have a nice weekend... I'm going home to my 'Half monkey wife and quarter monkey child with the Swedish surname."

Yes the guy is a vile racist.

I agree that this FRP character is nothing but a racist. But he did not state that Asians are half-monkeys.

His reference were to Africans as Africa is the last word in his first statement:
"Prøv å besøke Østen istedenfor Afrika. Derfra kommer det bare halvaper. De må ha 2-3 generasjoner på å tilpasse seg, og det ser man støtt i media"

"Try visiting the East instead of Africa, where only half-apes resides. They need at least 2-3 generations to be able to adapt, which is shown in the media all the time."

These FRP (progress party) characters are a legacy from the early days of this party, when the party had a rather darker shade of blue. (far right wing). The new generation FRP politicians are more moderate - but still deep blue.
I doubt, should the party get any real power, that characters like Roger Madsen would have any say in how politics, which concerns other cultures, are conducted.

But we can't hide the fact under a bushel, that racist elements flock to FRP when there are very few other parties with certain immigrant views. In fact, it is more or less the only party which have an issue with the current immigrant laws.

[HoreTore]

These FRP (progress party) characters are a legacy from the early days of this party, when the party had a rather darker shade of blue. (far right wing). The new generation FRP politicians are more moderate - but still deep blue.
I doubt, should the party get any real power, that characters like Roger Madsen would have any say in how politics, which concerns other cultures, are conducted.

A nice theory, Sigurd. Unfortunately wrong though.

Roger Madsen isn't a part of the "old guard", he's your "new generation", he's 45 years old and was elected into the city council in Moss for the first time in 2003.

And I sincerely doubt that his views are rare in the progress party. The central leadership confirms that quite well with their reaction, which was "he made a mistake and apologized, business as usual now". They don't care in the slightest that their central members are flamin' racists. That is what has changed in the Progress Party. They haven't become less racist, if anything they've become more.

Remember Vidar Kleppe and Jan Simonsen? Both excluded for similar racism this guy stands for. They got the full exclusion circus. Nothing happens this time.

Also, Moss FRP is one of the party's largest chapters. You saw Ulf Isak Leirstein during the debate as financial spokesman for FRP? Leirstein is the leader of Moss FRP, Madsen is the second leader. Madsen is also chosen as fraction leader in the city council. That means he's on the fast-track to parliament.

[The Stranger]

I think it was tasteless thing to say as man with such an influence.
But in general, I think its only racist if the ones being offended took it seriously.

well actually thats not true, its more the people that it doesnt concern but who are offended by it that label it racism... I find that the people I know would be easier offended if someone called me something rascist than myself. Also they sometimes hesitate to say certain phrases around me while really cant be bothered by it. my closest friends that really know me dont ofcourse but people ive just met do.

the bigger question would be is the problem of an offense in the intent of the offender or is it in the taking insult of the offended?

ps if he had said something like that relating jews and holocaust we would have a total media uproar... or regarding muslims, same thing. had he offended china he wouldve been dead.

[The Stranger]

I agree that this FRP character is nothing but a racist. But he did not state that Asians are half-monkeys.

His reference were to Africans as Africa is the last word in his first statement:
"Prøv å besøke Østen istedenfor Afrika. Derfra kommer det bare halvaper. De må ha 2-3 generasjoner på å tilpasse seg, og det ser man støtt i media"

"Try visiting the East instead of Africa, where only half-apes resides. They need at least 2-3 generations to be able to adapt, which is shown in the media all the time."

implying that what is shown on TV and in the media is therefore true, just and maybe only because it has been on TV. which is a major error a lot of people make, wether it concerns internet, books or TV... if the people that are supposed to lead countries think that way... i think 2012 might not be so much of a joke...

[Furunculus]

I think it was tasteless thing to say as man with such an influence.
But in general, I think its only racist if the ones being offended took it seriously.

that attitude was the most poisonous result of the Macpherson report, the idea that racism is in the eye of the beholder, and i reject it utterly.

[rory_20_uk]

So does British law, to the extent that if someone feels that they have been the subject of a racist incident ipso facto they have been - and can commence discipinary action.

[Husar]

I agree that this FRP character is nothing but a racist. But he did not state that Asians are half-monkeys.

His reference were to Africans as Africa is the last word in his first statement:
"Prøv å besøke Østen istedenfor Afrika. Derfra kommer det bare halvaper. De må ha 2-3 generasjoner på å tilpasse seg, og det ser man støtt i media"

"Try visiting the East instead of Africa, where only half-apes resides. They need at least 2-3 generations to be able to adapt, which is shown in the media all the time."

Yeah, I get your point, HoreTore should make correct translations, because I thought the same as Papewaio.

There's another mistake HoreTore made because Hitler is not left, he died many years ago unless you believe he fled to the moon or something.

Either way this guy seems a bit like a racist, yes.

[HoreTore]

Either way this guy seems a bit like a racist, yes.

This is the heart of the issue.

This man says africans are half-apes. And people are for some reason still unable to plainly say that the guy is a racist.

[Fragony]

I would say that remark kinda qualifies

[Andres]

And I sincerely doubt that his views are rare in the progress party. The central leadership confirms that quite well with their reaction, which was "he made a mistake and apologized, business as usual now". They don't care in the slightest that their central members are flamin' racists. That is what has changed in the Progress Party. They haven't become less racist, if anything they've become more.

So they are hypocrit racists. Racists who don't have the balls to just admit that they are racists and to say what they really think.

He didn't make "a mistake", he just showed his real face and it's not a pretty one

[Louis VI the Fat]

See, this is what you get when you vote populist. Sure, they usually sound all well and good - Less taxes! Libertarianism! No immigration! National sovereignity! Norway for the Norwegians!

But then you always end up with these sort of people. Some YouTube filth writer, elevated to the position of politician. What a laugh.


I would say that this is just a local small town council member, but populist parties are in many European countries the second or third largest party. I really do blame the internets. Where rightwing populism is huge, and the fleeting nature of debate automatically favours the quick solution, the loudest yellers. And also, where the democratic nature of the digital age has made everybody think that their opinion is as good as any.



@Pape - West European racism is anti-Black and anti-Muslim. Only a fringe is anti-Semitic or anti- East Asians.
Roger Madsen is rather standard in that he looks down on Africa, but admires Asia.

[rory_20_uk]

@Pape - West European racism is anti-Black and anti-Muslim. Only a fringe is anti-Semitic or anti- East Asians.
Roger Madsen is rather standard in that he looks down on Africa, but admires Asia.

Muslims are not a race, it is a religion; anti-semitic is taken to be anti-Jew, but again the race / religion line is blurred as not all Semites are Jews... but then I'm pretty sure you know this.

Looking down on Africa does not make one a Racist. Some might look down equally on any group of countries that manage to have such high levels of corruption, starvation and ethnic violence whilst having such abundant mineral wealth. Many Carribbeans look down on Africa often for these very reasons.

[Furunculus]

See, this is what you get when you vote populist. Sure, they usually sound all well and good - Less taxes! Libertarianism! No immigration! National sovereignity! Norway for the Norwegians!

But then you always end up with these sort of people. Some YouTube filth writer, elevated to the position of politician. What a laugh.

lol, wanting to be free of government oppression via taxes and laws = closet racist.

[Fragony]

Looking down on Africa does not make one a Racist.

No but calling Africans half-apes is, don't know what else to make of it.

[Beskar]

We share over 99% of our DNA with Monkies. Anyone who thing they are not monkies are in denial. (or the Nile, if they fancied a swim.)

[Beskar]

Looking down on Africa does not make one a Racist. Some might look down equally on any group of countries that manage to have such high levels of corruption, starvation and ethnic violence whilst having such abundant mineral wealth. Many Carribbeans look down on Africa often for these very reasons.

Go and watch "World's Strictest Parents", they usually have families in America host British children and do a far better job than the parents here.

[Fragony]

We share over 99% of our DNA with Monkies. Anyone who thing they are not monkies are in denial. (or the Nile, if they fancied a swim.)

Well in fact we aren't, we share a common ancestor.

[HoreTore]

lol, wanting to be free of government oppression via taxes and laws = closet racist.

Uhm, I do believe you misunderstood what Louis said there...

Can't quite figure out how you interpreted his statement in that way though.... Or are you denying that this guy is a racist, or do you claim that he does not represent a party who wants less taxes, more nationalism and no brownies?

Muslims are not a race

No, according to the "immigrationally challenged", Islam is a nationality. Every time they come up with another demographic scare to show how many muslims are in the country, they always use the number of immigrants from countries with a muslim majority, without any regard whatsoever to their personal beliefs. Atheist commies fleeing from Iran are thrown together with Islamists thrown out of Libya, they all count as "muslims" in their minds.

[rory_20_uk]

No but calling Africans half-apes is, don't know what else to make of it.

The Devil's Advocate in me wishes to make the point that Africa has peoples from all over the globe - whites, blacks, Indians and Arabs. If he'd specified "Black" then you'd be on firmer ground.

We share over 99% of our DNA with Monkies. Anyone who thing they are not monkies are in denial. (or the Nile, if they fancied a swim.)

Since a lot of DNA is scaffolding and basic cell function, you need to go quite a long way from Primates before it drops below 70%

Go and watch "World's Strictest Parents", they usually have families in America host British children and do a far better job than the parents here.

Never defended methods here. I think that many parents either fail to have any responsibility or try to be their children's friend. In this African, Caribbean and Indian methods often have a lot in common - stricter, boundries, some corporal punishment and aspirations. When I have my own kids I either need to find a nice ghetto to live in or else emigrate.

[Ironside]

lol, wanting to be free of government oppression via taxes and laws = closet racist.

You are aware that this is how the right-wing nationalistic populism looks like? Usually with some vague reference of a lost paradise, lost because of the immigrants!

Most right wing parties aren't populist or even nationalistic of course, but oddly enough does the these relativly new right-wing nationalistic populist parties sweeping over Europe follow that description fairly close.
And nationalistic populism has very strong tendency to be racist, due to simplistic solutions on problems and high national pride with a tendency to distrust immigrants. Combine and you get "all your problems are because of the immigrants, poisoning your wells, cursing your cattle and bewitching your womanfolk. Remove them and all your problems will be gone."

Beskar, do you honestly belive that this particular comment had anything to do with genetics?

The only thing I can somewhat agree in is that it takes a few generations to fully assimilate (aka. disappear into the statistic average), longer if they try to keep a subgroup. To adequetly adapt, the main part of integrating, usually take much shorter time though.

[Furunculus]

lol, wanting to be free of government oppression via taxes and laws = closet racist.

Uhm, I do believe you misunderstood what Louis said there...
Can't quite figure out how you interpreted his statement in that way though.... Or are you denying that this guy is a racist, or do you claim that he does not represent a party who wants less taxes, more nationalism and no brownies?

errrmm, let me see:

See, this is what you get when you vote populist. Sure, they usually sound all well and good - Less taxes! Libertarianism! No immigration! National sovereignity! Norway for the Norwegians!

But then you always end up with these sort of people*. Some YouTube filth writer, elevated to the position of politician. What a laugh.

* reference to racist in the first post

yeah, that about covers it.
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lol, wanting to be free of government oppression via taxes and laws = closet racist.

You are aware that this is how the right-wing nationalistic populism looks like? Usually with some vague reference of a lost paradise, lost because of the immigrants!

Most right wing parties aren't populist or even nationalistic of course, but oddly enough does the these relativly new right-wing nationalistic populist parties sweeping over Europe follow that description fairly close.
And nationalistic populism has very strong tendency to be racist, due to simplistic solutions on problems and high national pride with a tendency to distrust immigrants. Combine and you get "all your problems are because of the immigrants, poisoning your wells, cursing your cattle and bewitching your womanfolk. Remove them and all your problems will be gone."

your perception is your problem, not mine.

louis let fly with a sweeping generalisation, i let fly with a rebuttal. i am happy that my response is valid.

[Ironside]

louis let fly with a sweeping generalisation, i let fly with a rebuttal. i am happy that my response is valid.

Not following you, unless you consider wanting to be free of government oppression via taxes and laws = No immigration! National sovereignity! Norway for the Norwegians!

You know that other essential part Louis mentioned...

Louis: "Those Orange parties are bad."
Furunculus: "Hey don't insult red!"
Everyone else: "Huh? The orange comes from yellow, why they like red we don't know but they do."

[Major Robert Dump]

I don't think he was a racist, as he might have actually been talking about monkeys. It's a well-known fact that monkeys in asia are more liberal and open-minded and prone to race mixing and therefore more diverse, whereas the monkeys in Africa don't believe in "mixing the monkeys" and tend to be more hard-line, secluded and inbred.