Switzerland About To Vote On Minaret Ban

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 12-01-2009, 16:13

Originally Posted by Prussian Iron

i have no problem being voted against if there is an intelligent reason for it. but when idiots vote with no logical or intellectual reasoning, it is not ok.

Massive assumption, Quid has already given a reasoned explanation of why he voted for the ban.

**Prussian to the Iron** · 12-01-2009, 16:16

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Massive assumption, Quid has already given a reasoned explanation of why he voted for the ban.

and im fine with that. but do you honestly think the majority of the people who voted for it actually thought about it like that? no.

**rvg** · 12-01-2009, 16:23

Speculation of what were the voters thinking when casting their votes is just that: speculation.

**Ja'chyra** · 12-01-2009, 16:42

Lol, some of the comments in here are bordering on the ridiculous.

So the Swiss voted to ban minarets, what exactly is wrong with that? As I see it they have their way of running the country which says that the people get to vote on things, at least the people are represented rather than relying on politicians to reflect the peoples wishes, which is impossible so they should be representing the majority of their constituents but how many actually do that?

So who should vote? Why should it only be people with a minimum level of IQ, does having a lower IQ mean you don't have an opinion? Of course it doesn't and as they live in the country then their view is just as valid as anyones. If you do go down that road where should the IQ limit be set, surely a genius should be able to argue that it should be, say, set at the level of his IQ as his decisions will be more rational and thought out than someone with an IQ lower than his, so maybe the most intelligent person in country should just make all the decisions and cut out all the middle men, or citizens are they are sometimes called..

Are the Swiss racist? Going by this vote there is no evidence to suggest they are, if they voted and passed a bill saying that all muslims should be deported then you may have an argument.

In my view saying that the Swiss are racist based on this story is the same as saying, oh I don't know so lets pick one from thin air, all British soldiers are criminals. It's just plain ignorant and bigotted.

**Fragony** · 12-01-2009, 17:11

Originally Posted by Ja'chyra

So the Swiss voted to ban minarets, what exactly is wrong with that?

Incredibly much, I think Darius summed it up few posts back.

**Furunculus** · 12-01-2009, 17:19

Originally Posted by Fragony

Incredibly much, I think Darius summed it up few posts back.

that people other than the Swiss may perceive this as anti-muslim-religion rather than anti-non-swiss-architecture is their problem, not the Swiss peoples.

Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

As a German I can confirm that "Bild" is a populist piece of yellow press filth with a lot of racist untertones in its "reporting".

cheers for the info, and yet, der spiegel seems to think that Bild's editorial is inline with popular german opinion, and that germany would have given the same result to the same referendum..........?

**Ser Clegane** · 12-01-2009, 17:38

Originally Posted by Furunculus

and yet, der spiegel seems to think that Bild's editorial is inline with popular german opinion, and that germany would have given the same result to the same referendum..........?

Quite frankly - if we had such a referendum here in Germany, I would not be surprised to see an outcome very similar to that in Switzerland.
While "Bild" might be correct with this assessment, my problem with this "newspaper" is that they would certainly also try to incfluence the public opinion to get the same result as in Switzerland.

Personally, I would object to such a general ban of minarets - the construction of minarets should be subject to case by case decisions just like every other construction project.
Minarets should not get special treatment - neither in a positive nor in a negative way.

But in the end I have to agree with you - it was a democratic decision by the Swiss and the other side apparently failed to make a compelling argument for their case...

**Furunculus** · 12-01-2009, 16:26

Originally Posted by Prussian Iron

and im fine with that. but do you honestly think the majority of the people who voted for it actually thought about it like that? no.

are you willing to write off the worth of the referendum on the assumption that Swiss people are baddies?

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 12-01-2009, 17:05

Originally Posted by Prussian Iron

and im fine with that. but do you honestly think the majority of the people who voted for it actually thought about it like that? no.

So you just assume the majoriety of people are ignorant bigots? Rather than assuming that the majoriety of people see a new architechural feature and decide they don't like, and thence ban it?