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    Default Re: Dawn of a new EU - European Conservatives and Reformists Group springs into life

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    P.S. Personally I don't care what allies the British Conservatives are finding and where, but this part of the article was a bit one-sided, much like the entire nonsense with Kaminski* was.
    didn't you read the first 15 pages of non stop vituperation against the shocking bad sense displayed by the tories in leaving the 'mainstream' of euro politics, and how reprehensible any alternative to the EPP and PES would be?
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    Default Re: Dawn of a new EU - European Conservatives and Reformists Group springs into life

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    didn't you read the first 15 pages of non stop vituperation against the shocking bad sense displayed by the tories in leaving the 'mainstream' of euro politics, and how reprehensible any alternative to the EPP and PES would be?
    I wasn't there and I don't need to, I've seen enought in the Guardian - sometimes even three articles a day for Christ's sake! Of utter nonsense I've observed with disbelief.



    IN my opinion Tories made a mistake and the Law of Justice is a failing party which is despised in Poland by 3/4 of voters. The good side is that thanks to their disgusting ideas and appearance the ruling Civic Platform scores stable 40%-60% points in every survey.

    The Law and Justice, may it rot in hell, has nothing to do with racism, neonazism or anti-semitism smearing campaign attributes to them otherwise they wouldn't score 5% elections.

    They are terrible semi-anarchic, ultra-centralised (at the same time) party with outdated, socialist economic ideas, nationalist-populist slogans, almost-communist language, semi-authoritarian traits and usually rude and noisy supporters which it is enough to earn my lifetime hatred.

    I don't need to manufacture silly arguments to treat them with greater contempt. If I ever did I would become like them and that thought is more than sobering.

    It is like an ice cold shower and I'd recommed it to anyone.

    Besides it is really not my problem. In a year the Law and Justice will lose the president (20% in popularity ratings - he will lose against anybody), in the spring they will lose local elections just like they did lose previous local elections, general electons and Euroelections.

    After that it will either fracture, fade and die or be pushed even further from the real politics.
    And so be it!

    If someone really has to represent populist-nationalist quasi-patriotism they can stay as long as they ramain the pariah of politics in Poland.
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    Default Re: Dawn of a new EU - European Conservatives and Reformists Group springs into life

    adapt or die, a motto equally appropriate for politics as it is for evolution.
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