The Sweboz

[Grade_A_Beef]

aren't pretty much all western archers useless for anything except fire arrows? Horrendous range coupled with 15 ammo....their only saving grace is the barbarian ones have spears and aren't Toxotai.

And how are Germanic light cavalry in any way superior to Gallic light cavalry? If I recall their light can be compred with the Getic light cavalry, but at the very least the Getai get decent and perhaps you could say stellar Medium cavalry. Lance Epos are possibly the best light cavalry of the west, being cheap, dangerous with javelins, and a sporting a powerful AP lance charge. On top of that they take advantage of one of the widest AORs you can find, as the Celts can be recruited almost anywhere in western and central Europe.

[ARCHIPPOS]

aren't pretty much all western archers useless for anything except fire arrows? Horrendous range coupled with 15 ammo....their only saving grace is the barbarian ones have spears and aren't Toxotai.

Missile suppremacy over slingers (due to slightly longer arrow range) is just abt the only use i have found for western archers thus far ...

[Rahwana]

That's why Sweboz sucks if they want to use numerical advantage in multiplayer (having their cheap units wearing no armour at all). But I once fought a guy who use sweboz in multiplayer, and using Germanic heavy infantry as his core army, supported by massive baltic frontiersmen (who was a good missile units btw), and use only two crappy cavalry for exclusive router mop up.... he was able to defeat my Epirote army BTW, even when he was outnumbered rather badly (I don't know that germanic heavy infantry can hold a phalanx for soo long with thin line - just 2 men)

[Macilrille]

I disagree on the Archers, as I pointed out in my Guide to Archery in the Gameplay and AAR section (which led to two others coming up with equally good ones in a fine debate if I may say so). Medininkas are amongst the best archers in the game- and they can stand up to a bit of melee as well, being Heavy Archers with good range.

[Duguntz]

About the light cav. I played enough against the celts to perfectly know that on a one unit vs one unit basis, the germanic light cav beats the celtic light cav. i wasn't saying the celtic cav is crappy, so don't feel offended! And as for the use of fire arrow against a ten stars general, yeah, that's pretty useless. But as swebos, we'll be fighting mostly against celts, who are stuck in a bloody cevil war, aand are unlickly to send us more than 3 star general (well, I've never had even a 5 star against me) and the romans, who are at war with the whole map by the time they reach us in our dark forests! maybe, one of those two empire (Epeirote or Maks) sometime try it out and come north, but not always. some really, REALLY dangerous opponent, (gosh, they piss me off soooooo much) are the sauromate... well, we're strong, but face it : we have no armour and those cowards fight ONLY wit h arrows... tactics here : make it as fast as possible to the center. The AI will come and engage you in melee with their horse archers. you'll cut them to pieces... if you had enough men to reach it! because last time, just from arrow showers, I losted like 500 men just in the march to the center!

To Poulp : yeah, a few already tried! Pitty And in MP, there's the Koinon Hellenon who had a taste for wood strawberries... i showed them that those were MY strawberries :) but, i'm no invincible, and in the open, facing wall of pike, pfff, even with bastarnae to cut threw their guts, it's bloody hard to win... so in the open, i'm not the best to give advices with the sweboz!

[athanaric]

About the light cav. I played enough against the celts to perfectly know that on a one unit vs one unit basis, the germanic light cav beats the celtic light cav.

Reidonez beat Leuce Epos one on one. However, I find Leuce Epos a bit more useful in general, because:
- their charge is more dangerous,
- they are better suited for taking out heavy cavalry,
- and they have more javelins with a better range.

Reidonez fare better vs infantry though, especially against light units.


About cavalry strength: All in all, the Gallic cavalry is very slightly inferior to the Germanic one, unless they get Remi/Belgae horsemen.

The weakest faction cavalry wise are the Casse, because they have to rely on units that are only available in one or two regions each. Myrcharn are weak and Cidainh don't count, because chariots work quite differently (they also get screwed in woods). Meanwhile, Gauls and Germans can recruit decent cavalry almost everywhere.

[Rahwana]

If the Sweboz must use their crappy infantry army in even terms against civilized phalangitai supported with lot of missile units, it was simply suicide... Celts are better....

[Apázlinemjó]

That's why Sweboz sucks if they want to use numerical advantage in multiplayer (having their cheap units wearing no armour at all). But I once fought a guy who use sweboz in multiplayer, and using Germanic heavy infantry as his core army, supported by massive baltic frontiersmen (who was a good missile units btw), and use only two crappy cavalry for exclusive router mop up.... he was able to defeat my Epirote army BTW, even when he was outnumbered rather badly (I don't know that germanic heavy infantry can hold a phalanx for soo long with thin line - just 2 men)

Aye, but then you guys probably played without rules (unit type restrictions, chevron cap, money cap etc.), with that you could just buy 20 phalangities and form a huge box. Or spam 10 Cretan archers and Pezhetairoi. In an open battle, with balanced rosters it will be hard to win with Swebóz. Of course the forest battles are different stories, the table turns and a German army will probably punish anyone who dares to come into the forests.

[SwissBarbar]

I don't understand why the Sweboz are underestimated. In 90% of the cases, the AI-Sweboz, if not stopped by the Human Player, beats the crap out of their neighbours.

[Apázlinemjó]

I don't understand why the Sweboz are underestimated. In 90% of the cases, the AI-Sweboz, if not stopped by the Human Player, beats the crap out of their neighbours.

They aren't, if you check the posts most of the peeps like the faction as I do too, however the Multiplayer battles are different.