Great events in history can rarely be attributed to one particular event.
Btw, I hate your signature; it stinks of hypocrisy.
Re: Rome, the end of it all
Great events in history can rarely be attributed to one particular event.
Btw, I hate your signature; it stinks of hypocrisy.
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It didn't really die, it was just sacked a few times.
Love your signature by the way.
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The political entity that was the Roman Empire does not exist anymore. You can stick your own preferred date(s) for its "fall," but fall it did. Obviously, it is still culturally alive and kicking.
Fragony, tell your invasive brothers over here about how great Europe is. Hopefully they'll sail back.
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If I would set a date it would be the tetrarchy, that is when Rome really ceased existing. But to say it fell, it was just a letter from the germanic kingdoms that they didn't need an emperor anymore, and that was that, the western empire was done for.
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Rome didn't fell in one day, because of one event. It slowly became forgotten, superseded. The capital had moved, the Empire split, it's peoples replaced.
I like un-PC explanations:
- Mass immigration, which changed the nature of the Roman Empire and its perception of itself.
- Roman Catholicism. Rome was eaten from within. The worldy hierarchy crumbled, the Roman religious hierarchy took over. It is very much alive and kicking, and has been more powerful in the last two centuries then ever.
476 is not a historical turning point, nor an end of an era. A state was replaced by a civilization. This civilization has been quite succesful ever after 476. The Roman language, Roman law, Roman religion, and Rome as a symbol happily lived on, each one becoming bigger and more powerful than they had ever been before the political fall of Rome.
The other half of Rome lived on for another thousand years, until 1453, just a few decades before the discovery of America.
In the west, the idea of a universal Empire lived on until Napoleon disbanded the Holy Roman Empire in 1806.
I like the signature too.
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At the risk of this getting Backroomy, I dislike the sig, but take comfort from the fact that any biggot with those ideas would be hounded out of anywhere with real decision making power.
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You spelled bigot wrong.
As for the Romans, coming over here, taking our women and jobs. Bastards.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
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You mean it's wrong to tell people who support people attacking your country that they should leave?Originally Posted by alh_p
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Just like the UK then, especially in the foreign policy area.
Oh, and 1453. ;)
Last edited by Dodge_272; 12-26-2009 at 18:23.
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One thing I find interesting about the fall of the Roman Empire is just how much more successful the Principate then the Dominate at tackling all of the same issues.
Being in the Senatorial Order also meant nothing in the later empire, Equites who despite technically being in a "lower" order would be just as rich as any senator (the ones getting important positions anyway) got every important job, supposedly because they would be loyal, but Dominate Emperors had a very high rate of death by friends and trusted apointees.
To avoid conspiracies for restoring the republic that rarely happened emperors enabled conspiracy for the throne to happen constantly.
About the signature I am all for imigration of deserving people of all types, but I have actually spoken with immigrants who think the 7/7 and 9/11 bombers are HEROES, people like that should not be allowed in. I'm sorry if that makes me rascist, but every immigrant processed means a different immigrant was not processed because the quota was filled by somebody else, the quotas therefore should be used on people who do not hold terrorists in great esteem. Sorry if that makes me a rascist, but with Tony Blair, Nicholas Sarkozy, Andrew Lloyd Webber etc etc I am in good company.
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Yeah, screw Al Lemagne. Those bastards should never be allowed into our borders. What do they do anyway, except kill innocent civilians and try to destroy our culture?
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Did I say that?
Oh yes that's right I didn't.
Strawmen are the arguments of people who don't have a good case
EVERY and repeat ten times EVERY immigrant who gets into Britain means ANOTHER immigrant DID NOT get into Britain.
Why the hell should immigrants who think the 7/7 bombers and 9/11 bombers are heroes get in?
The answer is they shouldn't, and your calling me a rascist and using strawmen to enforce your argument indicates either a lack of intellect, or an absolute degree of elitism.
I apologize that a signature that I spent a couple of seconds on isn't entirely correct linguistically.
I do understand Islam and Muslims in general. I understand obscure things about it to. I understand there is even a book of Heraclius in some forms of Islam, and that the Ottoman Empire was the great power of it's day. More importantly I understand that most muslims want to get away from nuts like Qaradawi, not see them endorsed by former mayors.
The fact still stands there are immigrants who believe in the cause of the terrorists, and they should not be allowed to take the place of honest immigrants.
If you love Islam you will stop equating supporters of terrorism with it.
However I think you just love pretending to be a hero and you desperately wish you were fighting world war two and will make a nazi out of everyone you can, wether it's a post office that requires literacy in it's workers, the Prime Minister, or a random person on the internet you never met.
You love Islam? Ok, then let the Muslims who aren't a negative stereotype into Britain, instead of extremists.
If I'm banned for this uncivil post goodbye the org, but I take being called a rascist seriously considering in Britain today being tarred with the rascist Brush is equivalent to being tarred with the Communist Brush in Mccarthyism (sp).
Anyway if you want people who think the 7/7 bombers are heroes to take the place of moderate muslims, or africans escaping Zimbabwe Famine, or Chinese Muslims escaping persecution, or well all sorts of disadvantaged groups explain one reason why.
Before being called a rascist I was considering changing the sig, but now that I have been called one because of it the sig stays, sorry.
Last edited by Horatius; 12-30-2009 at 19:05.
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You won't be banned, because all of the mods here are sensible enough to see that there is absolutely no way that anything is racist. Really, I have no idea how saying that people who wish your country harm should not be allowed in is racist. Sensible policy, more like.
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Being the moderator here I would prefer if the discussion focused on the topic and not about a signature.
CBR
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Truth. The very notion of "Londinistan" indicates a pathetic fail on OP's part, as "Stan" just means "Land" in Indo-Aryan/Iranian languages, similar to how "-ia" means "land" in Latin, meaning you are saying "London-land". Considering that many Indo-Aryans are not Muslim, and that Islam is a religion with Semitic roots (Just like Christianity and Judaism; you could only use "-Stan" if we were being flooded by Zoroastrians//Mithras, which we were once), this shows a total lack of understanding of Islam and Muslims in general by the OP.
So? There are plenty of stupid famous people.Sorry if that makes me a rascist, but with Tony Blair, Nicholas Sarkozy, Andrew Lloyd Webber
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