Make children dammit!

[Paltmull]

So I'm trying to roleplay as Casse, not adopting or marrying anyone into the family. My faction leader, Barae, has two sons. The thing is, they don't get any children. One of the sons has a daughter, but that's it. I don't use them in the field or anything. They've both been governing cities for years. One of the two sons has a -1 fertility trait, but the other doesn't. It would be quite a pain to lose my campaign because of my stupid FM's bedroom problems. (sorry 'bout that one)

So, my question is: Is there any good way to aquire fertility traits/ancillaries for your FM:s? I can cheat if that's possible.

[ARCHIPPOS]

So I'm trying to roleplay as Casse, not adopting or marrying anyone into the family.

errrr, doesn't it say in Barae's biography that part of his policy was precisely to adopt "charismatic youths" as rulers in his service ???

[Paltmull]

Uhm, it actually does. Had forgotten about that one xD. Anyway, I still want heirs that are of royal blood.

I tried the console command 'give_trait "Mowg ofcatuvellauni" "Fertile" 3'. I didn't get any error message, but Mowg doesn't seem to have the trait in his traits list. :/

[Genava]

Try EBFertile 3 or EbFertile 3. It's a new trait added by the team.

[satalexton]

did you take him out on campaigning? The wilderness isn't a very appealing place to 'make children' you know =]

[Cute Wolf]

Or... what numbers of provinces that you have? The FM numbers (and child spawning) and province controlled seems to be heavily corellated. If you only get 3 or 4 provinces, that's why Barrae's childrens have a bedroom problem.

[Ibrahim]

So I'm trying to roleplay as Casse, not adopting or marrying anyone into the family (you kidding me?)[. My faction leader, Barae, has two sons. The thing is, they don't get any children. One of the sons has a daughter, but that's it. I don't use them in the field or anything. They've both been governing cities for years. One of the two sons has a -1 fertility trait, but the other doesn't. It would be quite a pain to lose my campaign because of my stupid FM's bedroom problems. (sorry 'bout that one)

So, my question is: Is there any good way to aquire fertility traits/ancillaries for your FM:s? I can cheat if that's possible.

look, don't be too hard on yourself. its not at all your fault if barae/his sons can't stand at attention.

besides, adoptions and marriages should fix your problem. you shouldn't really be so monarchical when your faction is so small: meritocracy is a FAR better course. once one family consistently produces good men, you can make that family into a monarchical dynasty, though personally I only do that for role-playing (especially with AS).

In my current AS campaign (right now its on hiatus), I started with the ruling family, and 2-4 families. by adopting/promoting/marrying "better men" into my family, I now have 16 families or so, each ruling a particular area as feudal lords-basically imitating Parthian governance:

the seleukids still rule all.
vassals:
the medikoi rule in Africa.
the persikoi rule in persia
the ioudaikoi rule in Anatolia and the levant.
the baktrioi (bribed) rule in Baktria (duh?)
the babylonikoi rule over the borderlands of Parthia (now under my rule)
the syriakoi (seleukid or otherwise) are spread out through the empire.

oddly, the ioudaikoi don't control Hierosolyma-that's Medikou turf.

and the list goes on.

[satalexton]

My Casse Campaign's far simpler, So long you're a <something> Vi/Di Britannia, you're allowed to lead the 'Great Army' as the heir.

Is Lelouch a plausible name in EB's timeframe?

[XSamatan]

The number of possible children is limited by the province you posses. Conquer more lands, then you will have more children.
Increasing the fertile by trait should help to increase the number also, but there is still a point, where the chances are going to zero.

XSamatan

[Rahwana]

And don't forget to let them walk and fight for a while... so your FM's don't get Bored.... Boredrom will cause fertility penalty too....

[Skullheadhq]

Why, boredom should instead increase fertility, just like with an electricity shutdown, people get bored and pregnant

[Rahwana]

Why, boredom should instead increase fertility, just like with an electricity shutdown, people get bored and pregnant

The question is... He was bored with his wife, and all the children he sire with another women is simply unrecognized....

[Paltmull]

Thanks for the answers :)

I might consider marrying people into the family later but, early in the campaign, I think that your "real" royal bloodline disappears too easily if you do that.

Anyway, I've conquered all of Britain except Ireland and I've only got three family members. Additionally, I'm constantly asked to adopt people - so I don't think that too few provinces is the cause.

Genava: I'll try EbFertile. Thanks

did you take him out on campaigning? The wilderness isn't a very appealing place to 'make children' you know =]

Nope. I've had them govern cities for pretty much their entire lives.

[Skullheadhq]

You should consider a bathhouse, maybe those wifes have to wash themselves in order not to stink, maybe they'l get children then

[XSamatan]

IIRC the choices to adopt a FM/Moth and the birth of a new child to this father except each other per round. Don't quote me for the truth in that case, won't you?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

So, maybe the acceptance of the adoption could lead to newborns to the other FM's if they are in some way "blocked" by your FL with three kids

XSamatan

[Macilrille]

Another pertinent question is, why the Sharp/Charismatic/Vigorous hero with 8 stars and 2 scrolls and leaves, and a fine wife gets two sons of the same sort, then his line die out despite fine wifes with them as well, doctors, mistresses, etc while the Dull/Uncharismatic/langorous fools breed like rabbits even if I send them to hold a fort alone in enemy lands and quickly die from siege (Baktria has few piarcy-hunting opportunities till late in the game)

Is there any way to do selective breeding of FMs?

Including cheats, I do not mind if they make sense, and it makes sense to me that handsome and charismatic commander-national heroes with healthy wifes, mistresses, beautiful prostitutes, doctors, prime health and vigour and sharp minds would continue fornicating until they have 2+ sons each of the same sort. If I were them with that sort of accomplishments and entourage I would do little else but fornicate with as many women as possible. I know from experience that little makes you so roused as a good fight and victory.

Stupid Baktrians

[burn_again]

Like someone posted here before, I can recommend the EBFertile 3 trait. I like breeding dynasties when I play as the AS or the Makedonians and I have had great sucess with that trait. It almost garanties your FM will have children, and normally at least one son.

Here is my family tree in an old AS campaign of mine, it is 63BC and my faction leader is still a descendant of the first faction leader. I started using give_trait EBFertile 3 with Kallinikos, his grand-son, when I became worried the family would die out.


As for FMs I don't want to have children you could try EBInfertile 3, but I haven't tested that as I usually find a way to kill those guys off.

[Macilrille]

Ah I was in doubt whether that was a Console command or mod. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Olaf The Great]

Another pertinent question is, why the Sharp/Charismatic/Vigorous hero with 8 stars and 2 scrolls and leaves, and a fine wife gets two sons of the same sort, then his line die out despite fine wifes with them as well, doctors, mistresses, etc while the Dull/Uncharismatic/langorous fools breed like rabbits even if I send them to hold a fort alone in enemy lands and quickly die from siege (Baktria has few piarcy-hunting opportunities till late in the game)

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Isn't that how it works out in real life?

[Macilrille]

I am single and only expect to change that for someone really special who can match me in all ways (and when I get a propewr job), so I guess you are right Olaf...

[burn_again]

Ah I was in doubt whether that was a Console command or mod. Thanks for clearing that up.

Yeah, it is a trait given through a console command (give_trait "Kallinikos Syriakos" EBFertile 3). It shows up ingame as "Prolific".

[Tiger88]

Mine were pretty slow in making babies, but then all of a sudden everybody just started getting busy. Though I do wonder how a couple in their mid forties suddenly started popping out children every few years.

[Raumung]

Hi. Can somebody please tell me if the console command takes into account the provinces=FM's thing?Or they get down to business no matter what?
Also, it doesn't seem to work for roman FM, the nomen, cognomen,gens names pose a problem, for me atleast...would anybody help my generals make babies?

[burn_again]

Hi. Can somebody please tell me if the console command takes into account the provinces=FM's thing?Or they get down to business no matter what?
Also, it doesn't seem to work for roman FM, the nomen, cognomen,gens names pose a problem, for me atleast...would anybody help my generals make babies?

The console command just gives you FM a trait that makes him more fertile. That means if you have enough provinces, he is more likely to have children. Of course there will always be FMs without children, especially if you do not expand continously or if you have lots of FMs.

The roman FMs have invisible traits that make them less fertile. This was implemented to encourage adoptions, as the Romans were not ruled by a single dynasty like the diadochoi factions.

To find out the internal name of a roman FM, you could try a cheat like character_reset, that can't do any harm to your game. If your FM is called "Manivs Aurelivs Cotta", you start typing "Manivs Romanvs", "ManivsA Romanvs" and so on till "ManivsK Romanvs". If you type the name of an existing FM, he will get his movement points reset and be selected, so you know his internal name and can give him traits through the console.

[Mulceber]

the medikou rule in Africa.
the persikou rule in persia
the ioudaikou rule in Anatolia and the levant.
the baktriou (bribed) rule in Baktria (duh?)
the babylonikou rule over the borderlands of Parthia (now under my rule)
the syriakou (seleukid or otherwise) are spread out through the empire.

Just a small grammatical correction: the plural of all those peoples would be -oi, rather than -ou. -ou would be the genitive singular, rather than the nominative plural, which is I think what you want. -M

[Ibrahim]

Just a small grammatical correction: the plural of all those peoples would be -oi, rather than -ou. -ou would be the genitive singular, rather than the nominative plural, which is I think what you want. -M

I see. in my defense, I'm pretty much ignorant of greek. (that and I cheaply just copied the surnames

thanks for the correction; I'll correct.have a baloon

[Praetor Diego]

An easy solution is edit the character_traits.txt (dont remember the exact file name right now).
I add extra fertility to any character between 20-40 years old. I never had problems after that. And I like to remark that I have around 1.5 FM per province, so I guest this over-rules the FM/province limits. I tested in my campaigns with Rome and Epirus.

[Mulceber]

I see. in my defense, I'm pretty much ignorant of greek. (that and I cheaply just copied the surnames

thanks for the correction; I'll correct.have a baloon

It's cool, I just thought I'd point that out. Thanks for the balloon. -M