Calling out the mods.

[Centurion1]

i find it hard to believe no one knew about something like that. i mean egads man how does that not get around and why didnt anyone tell him to take it down?

[miotas]

i find it hard to believe no one knew about something like that. i mean egads man how does that not get around and why didnt anyone tell him to take it down?

I knew about it, but never seen it because *gasp* it was removed. Basically in the tavern our rule breaking consisted of swearing too much and complaining about people who annoy us in the main forums.

[Rilder]

I knew about it, but never seen it because *gasp* it was removed. Basically in the tavern our rule breaking consisted of swearing too much and complaining about people who annoy us in the main forums.

This.

Wait guys!

I get it now.

If someone not a part of the eb tavern had posted the image would that of meant that that everybody who isn't a part of the EB tavern is, how did that guy put it?

A Kitten burner?

[Klaüse]

The admins are Nazi Pussies on a powertrip

[Fixiwee]

^
if you are connected to the EV tavern I'm gonna give up and state that the mods and admins are right.

And that POs me because I wrote a long msg against the arrogans in the post of LEN, but I wont post it anymore.

[KukriKhan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by miotas
I knew about it, but never seen it because *gasp* it was removed. Basically in the tavern our rule breaking consisted of swearing too much and complaining about people who annoy us in the main forums.

This.

Wait guys!

I get it now.

If someone not a part of the eb tavern had posted the image would that of meant that that everybody who isn't a part of the EB tavern is, how did that guy put it?

A Kitten burner?

Heh. Yeah. The irony is thick.

Does this not prompt the question: "Moderation? Is it best self-applied, or externally imposed?" "Self-applied" is my preferred answer, and works pretty darned well throughout this org place. But lacking that in the ebt, 'externally applied' prevailed.

Frankly, I am surprised that you all are surprised. Swearing? Ppffft. You guys don't know the first thing about it.

Burnt cats, cartoon orgies, headless cadavers. I mean c'mon. YOU should have nuked the place yourselves. But you didn't. So the grown-ups had to do it for you. With predictable results.

Can you not see the ultimate consequence? Think ahead a day or week or month ahead?

Given what could have been the fate of the group, I would say they got off lucky, compared to the treatment they'd've likely received anywhere else on the 'net, including /4/chan.

And why is that?

Because, in this place, this totalwar-dot-org place, EVERYone has a valued voice. The newbie and the 10-year veteran have the same ability to solve a problem. Because each LISTENS to the other, with respect. So, members are given a time-out, vs a ban.

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So, what have we learnt from this exercise - exorcise-ism?

1) This is a nice place, where nobody gets ignored, about totalwar, as a game and/or a concept
2) This nice place has politeness/civility rules.
3) Those rules get enforced as problems arise
4) This is a nice place, where nobody gets ignored, about totalwar, as a game and/or a concept.
5) This nice place has politeness/civility rules.
6) Those rules get enforced as problems arise

[Csargo]

Bah, I'm ignored all the time.

[Fixiwee]

Heh. Yeah. The irony is thick.

Does this not prompt the question: "Moderation? Is it best self-applied, or externally imposed?" "Self-applied" is my preferred answer, and works pretty darned well throughout this org place. But lacking that in the ebt, 'externally applied' prevailed.

Frankly, I am surprised that you all are surprised. Swearing? Ppffft. You guys don't know the first thing about it.

Burnt cats, cartoon orgies, headless cadavers. I mean c'mon. YOU should have nuked the place yourselves. But you didn't. So the grown-ups had to do it for you. With predictable results.

Can you not see the ultimate consequence? Think ahead a day or week or month ahead?

Given what could have been the fate of the group, I would say they got off lucky, compared to the treatment they'd've likely received anywhere else on the 'net, including /4/chan.

And why is that?

Because, in this place, this totalwar-dot-org place, EVERYone has a valued voice. The newbie and the 10-year veteran have the same ability to solve a problem. Because each LISTENS to the other, with respect. So, members are given a time-out, vs a ban.

~~~~++++~~~~

So, what have we learnt from this exercise - exorcise-ism?

1) This is a nice place, where nobody gets ignored, about totalwar, as a game and/or a concept
2) This nice place has politeness/civility rules.
3) Those rules get enforced as problems arise
4) This is a nice place, where nobody gets ignored, about totalwar, as a game and/or a concept.
5) This nice place has politeness/civility rules.
6) Those rules get enforced as problems arise

The post in 2 sentences:

The org is awesome and impeccable.
Every taverner is a troll and a stupid ignorant kid.

Sorry, but you too obviously have not read a single post by AVSM or me.
Why are we ignored all the time?

Bah, I'm ignored all the time.

I'm sorry but you only made one post here and it was something like "lol why did that happen, i hope all is well soon."

;)

[Csargo]

I'm sorry but you only made one post here and it was something like "lol why did that happen, i hope all is well soon."

;)

That was in general, not this thread in-particular.

It's already been said many times by your own members that rules were broken in the tavern. Tosa deleted it because of that, and I doubt there is any way to get back any of the things that were lost in the mass deletion. That was his decision to make, since he spends his time with the upkeep of this site. I don't see what any of you are trying to do by arguing in this thread. I'm fairly certain that nothing is going to change by doing so. You can go and try to put back together what was lost, or continue complaining about something that you can't change. It's your choice.

[NICATON]

I like complaining.

[NICATON]

Burnt cats, cartoon orgies, headless cadavers. I mean c'mon. YOU should have nuked the place yourselves. But you didn't. So the grown-ups had to do it for you. With predictable results.

Blame AP then! He posted the damn cat and cadaver (cartoon orgies? now i don't even remember that, I have lurked constantly for a year and a half now).

Because, in this place, this totalwar-dot-org place, EVERYone has a valued voice. The newbie and the 10-year veteran have the same ability to solve a problem. Because each LISTENS to the other, with respect. So, members are given a time-out, vs a ban.

Haha, good one.


Also, that Klausen or whatever, is not part of the Tavern at all. I don't know who he is. If anyone, ban people like him who posts that crap in public.

[Pannonian]

Heh. Yeah. The irony is thick.

Does this not prompt the question: "Moderation? Is it best self-applied, or externally imposed?" "Self-applied" is my preferred answer, and works pretty darned well throughout this org place. But lacking that in the ebt, 'externally applied' prevailed.

My preferred form of self-applied moderation is the killfile. Bozos belong to the bozo bin, and vBulletin's Ignore function doesn't come close to satisfying the salient feature of the killfile - entirely hiding the existence of internet idiots so the signal to noise ratio is kept reasonable. Score files are even better, as one can cover whole ranges using wildcards.

[Husar]

My preferred form of self-applied moderation is the killfile. Bozos belong to the bozo bin, and vBulletin's Ignore function doesn't come close to satisfying the salient feature of the killfile - entirely hiding the existence of internet idiots so the signal to noise ratio is kept reasonable. Score files are even better, as one can cover whole ranges using wildcards.

???????

What are bozos, killfiles and score files if I may ask?

[Pannonian]

???????

What are bozos, killfiles and score files if I may ask?

What is a Killfile?

[Subotan]

I'm sorry, am I suddenly in the business of satisfying your curiosity? Am I supposed to hunt through all of the infractions that have been accrued in the last year, correlate them with my PM box and find you examples, which you will doubtless dismiss anyway?

If you make a statement like that, you are the one who is expected to provide. Why should I be obliged to find something which I know is not true?

I am not in the habit of lying or misrepresenting the truth. It's something of a personal fetish. If my word isn't good enough for you, then we have nothing more to discuss.

Yes, I an see that. We are not accusing you are. But you're not addressing our concerns.

Gee, it's too bad there's no unmoderated places where you can talk for free on the internet tubes.

Did you even read my posts?

Heh. Yeah. The irony is thick.

Does this not prompt the question: "Moderation? Is it best self-applied, or externally imposed?" "Self-applied" is my preferred answer, and works pretty darned well throughout this org place. But lacking that in the ebt, 'externally applied' prevailed.

Frankly, I am surprised that you all are surprised. Swearing? Ppffft. You guys don't know the first thing about it.

We are willing and we are able to impose moderation to get rid of isolated incidents like Zippocat.

Burnt cats, cartoon orgies, headless cadavers. I mean c'mon. YOU should have nuked the place yourselves. But you didn't. So the grown-ups had to do it for you. With predictable results.

The first and last one were posted by the same member, and were dealt with, whilst the second one had no connection to the EB Tavern.

Given what could have been the fate of the group, I would say they got off lucky, compared to the treatment they'd've likely received anywhere else on the 'net, including /4/chan.

If you think that that would have got you banned at 4chan, then you are oh so woefully mistaken. We are very tame compared to most of the stuff on the internet, and we like it that way. If we wanted to see pictures of burning cats all the time, we wouldn't be here.

And why is that?

Because, in this place, this totalwar-dot-org place, EVERYone has a valued voice. The newbie and the 10-year veteran have the same ability to solve a problem. Because each LISTENS to the other, with respect. So, members are given a time-out, vs a ban.

That's what we're doing, and is why we're not resorting to "omg mods are gay". I know that the org works like that and it is just one of the many features I like about the org. They make the org a nice place to be. However, they are being too rigidly enforced, and are proving detrimental to a substantial proportion of the org's members.

The post in 2 sentences:

The org is awesome and impeccable.
Every taverner is a troll and a stupid ignorant kid.

Sorry, but you too obviously have not read a single post by AVSM or me.
Why are we ignored all the time?

1000% true. I am spending a lot of time responding to every meaningful post, and I don't even get replies. It's quite annoying, as well as rude.

Bah, I'm ignored all the time.

I responded to you :3

It's already been said many times by your own members that rules were broken in the tavern.

The vast vast majority of those rules were just profanity. We weren't running some kind of crime den or something. Yet the knee-jerk reaction of "If all else fails, use fire" didn't solve anything.

Why not side-step this whole issue as someone else suggested and make your own board? There are plenty of free ones out there. Then you could password it, control membership, and behind closed doors do whatever the bleep you wanted.

If no one has the ability, or time or whatever, hell, I administrate a Yuku board that isn't used much anymore. I can set up a private forum only you guys can see, that requires membership or a password to enter, and then you guys can do whatever you want in there and leave the Org in peace. That is, if there is truth in what's been said about just wanting a place to hang out. I'd just like to see this thread go to sleep.

That's considerate, but not feasible. Not only is that unlikely to work, as we'll lose some friends in transition, What is the point of having two separate forums, where all the members of one forum are members of another, and majority of the discussion in the first one relates to discussion in the second one?

I think what has been said is all that has been said. "talking about" it anymore will not get anywhere since even though there are posts, people aren't actually communicating.

I am communicating. I am responding to every point made, and a lot of the EB Tavern members are responding as well. We're just subject to cherry-picking.

There are also guest posts from random accounts, such as we saw, really paint the EB members possibly worse than they actually are, if it wasn't them who posted them in the first place.

Why would we post something that isn't true?

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It appears that my posts are still being ignored by the vast majority of the respondents here, so I'll just post this. What is wrong, with having a voluntary section of the org where the following

I just want a place where I talk with my Tavern friends (been here for a year and a half already) and shoot the breeze without my sentences becoming stupid daisy's

It would not impact on the majority of the people who use the .org in any way. Sure, it might have done in the past, but since we've seen how touchy the mods are about it affecting other parts of the forum, we promise to not to.

And don't give me any of the stupid "4 Rules Good, 2 Rules Bad", since I know that none of you are stupid enough to think that rules are impeccable. Don't attempt to convince me otherwise.