Netherworld II [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Unvote: Beskar, vote:Winston Hughes

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: WinstonHughes

[Winston Hughes]

No. Stop. You're lynching the wrong guy.

Meh. Better me than someone actually useful to the innocent cause.

And, hey, this will be the first time in 20-odd games that I've ever been successfully lynched.

[Winston Hughes]

Hmm... Now I think about it...

I can understand other people being suspicious of me, but ATPG knows I'm far too cautious to dig myself a hole like this if I was actually guilty. So why is he voting for me, eh?

[Seon]

bloody ell. He actually convinced me.

Unvote, Vote:ATPG

[Askthepizzaguy]

You can do what you like.

I already volunteered to be the lynch. I am innocent, that's the only thing I will say in my defense.

You want me to die, I'll die.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hmm... Now I think about it...

I can understand other people being suspicious of me, but ATPG knows I'm far too cautious to dig myself a hole like this if I was actually guilty. So why is he voting for me, eh?

Uh, no I don't.

Just because you're guilty or not doesn't mean you wouldn't say something that gets you in trouble. That makes zero sense. Secondly, the reason I am voting for you is because there's a bandwagon to spare TinCow. You'd know that if you were reading the thread.

Unless you're also claiming to be a pro-town role (fat chance) better you than me, friend.

[Kralizec]

Unvote: A completely inoffensive name
Vote: Sasaki

My reason is that Sasaki and Tincow seem to support eachother for some reason. I'm skeptical of Tincow's claim, but it can't be ruled out that he's speaking the truth. So say lynch Sasaki and take things further from there.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ah, but Sasaki will make jokes, thus elevating the game.

He's also far too pretty to die.

[Seon]

I feel strongly disturbed by complete lack of WIFOM and self-suspiscionraising from ATPG.

[Kralizec]

The previous tally didn't include my vote and I figured it might be messed up. Here's a recount:

Splitperson - ACIN, chaotix 2
Seon - captain c, yaropolk 2
Diamondeye - , beskar, joooray 2
Beskar - , winston 1
Winston Hughes - johnhughthom, beefy, GH, sasaki, ATPG 5
Csargo - Sprig 1
GH - YLC, diamondeye, winston hughes, scienter 4
ATPG- seon 1
yooray - scottishranger 1
YLC - tincow 1
double a - peasant phill 1
yaropolk - sigurd 1
tincow - thermal mercury, splitperson, pevergreen, A1 unit 4
sasaki - andres, Kralizec 2
scienter - captain blackadder 1
captain c - atheotes 1

abstain - Cultured Dritzz fan 1

Three notes:
1) if I misspelled your name, it was intentional
2) if people quote a post, it would be useful if they removed the "vote: person" part
3) winston hughes forgot to unvote beskar before voting GH other than that I don't see where the sudden avalanche of votes for him came from: GH, sasaki and ATPG. The obvious answer is that it was done to save Tincow, but why winston ~

[Chaotix]

Let's put that tally into something more easily readable. Excellent job with the count, Kralizec.

Winston Hughes- 5 (johnhughthom, beefy, GH, sasaki, ATPG)

TinCow- 4 (thermal mercury, splitperson, pevergreen, A1 unit)
GH- 3 (YLC, diamondeye, scienter)


Splitpersonality- 2 (ACIN, Chaotix)
Seon- 2 (captain c, yaropolk)
Diamondeye- 2 (beskar, joooray)
Sasaki- 2 (andres, Kralizec)

Csargo- 1 (Sprig)
ATPG- 1 (seon)
Joooray- 1 (scottishranger)
YLC- 1 (tincow)
Double A- 1 (peasant phil)
Yaropolk- 1 (sigurd)
Beskar- 1 (Winston)
scienter- 1 (blackadder)
Captain c- 1 (atheotes)

Abstaining - Cultured Drizzt fan

[Beefy187]

Give Tincow a night to do his stuff.

We might lose a man if his mafia, but if his not, it will give us more to work on for day 2.

[Thermal]

unvote, vote: GH

[Askthepizzaguy]

3) winston hughes forgot to unvote beskar before voting GH other than that I don't see where the sudden avalanche of votes for him came from: GH, sasaki and ATPG. The obvious answer is that it was done to save Tincow, but why winston ~

You see, I am mafia with Sasaki, and GeneralHankerchief is our love puppet. TinCow, however, is our fierce and powerful overlord, and you'd all do well to bow down to him.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The four of us can join forces and become Field Marshall Super-Megacow the Kojiro guy.

[Winston Hughes]

Unless you're also claiming to be a pro-town role (fat chance) better you than me, friend.

No, I have no powers to speak of. If it's better for the innocents that I die, then so be it. That said, it would seem more sensible to lynch someone who might actually be guilty.

3) winston hughes forgot to unvote beskar before voting GH

Yes, that was remiss of me. Hence my subsequent correction.

other than that I don't see where the sudden avalanche of votes for him came from: GH, sasaki and ATPG. The obvious answer is that it was done to save Tincow, but why winston ~

Well, I set myself up as an easy enough lynch target. Nevertheless, I think it's obvious enough to most people that I'm more likely innocent than guilty. So, I'd say those people voting for me are looking rather suspicious.

I would put ATPG at the top of the list, but I can't help wondering if he just wants to know what it feels like to outlive me in a game.

[Beskar]

You see, I am mafia with Sasaki, and GeneralHankerchief is our love puppet. TinCow, however, is our fierce and powerful overlord, and you'd all do well to bow down to him.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The four of us can join forces and become Field Marshall Super-Megacow the Kojiro guy.

The merger of TinCow and Beefy187 produces the Golden Calf, the idol which make gods tremble.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would like to see this merger. Is it on Cinemax?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well, I set myself up as an easy enough lynch target.

By doing what?

Nevertheless, I think it's obvious enough to most people that I'm more likely innocent than guilty. So, I'd say those people voting for me are looking rather suspicious.

Everyone is more likely innocent than guilty at this point. What you did right here is say something that is true but meaningless, and used that to cast suspicion on the people who are voting for you. Crafty

[Chaotix]

I have conversed with Winston, and I believe, unless he is completely devious, that he is most likely innocent. We should really pick someone else to lynch.

The bandwagon on him is... unnatural. Obviously Sasaki, GH, and ATPG all decided together to create a voting bloc on him. That only makes you three look particularly suspicious. Pick someone else. Give him the benefit of the doubt and turn the bloc on a more worthy target.

[Thermal]

I agree sasaki, almost...blackmail....

Having said that, I'm still voting for GH for starting the bandwagon in the first place.

[Winston Hughes]

By doing what?

By bothering to defend myself, instead of just ignoring what was an extremely weak accusation. Of course, I had my reasons for doing so, but none of them had anything to do with my being guilty of the killings.

Everyone is more likely innocent than guilty at this point. What you did right here is say something that is true but meaningless, and used that to cast suspicion on the people who are voting for you. Crafty

Not quite. My comments about the people voting for me are intended for after I'm dead. The funny thing is that you lot who've voted for me are making out that I've been trying to protect myself from being lynched, despite much evidence to the contrary. If I was desperate to survive, I would've shut up ages ago (cue more faux-horrified cries of "he's WIFOMing, lynch him!)

[Askthepizzaguy]

That only makes you three look particularly suspicious.

Yes, because mafia team members always vote together in a bloc on the first day, especially crafty veteran ones. I like how everything that anyone ever could possibly do is "suspicious" at times, and not at others.

I'm nyat budging unless someone gives me a durn good reason, and Chaotix, that's nyat good enough.

I have conversed with Winston, and I believe, unless he is completely devious, that he is most likely innocent.

I like you and respect you, Chaotix, but no thank you. I've been mafia with Winston, and he isn't a newbie player. I need more than a gut feeling.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I have conversed with Winston, and I believe, unless he is completely devious, that he is most likely innocent. We should really pick someone else to lynch.

The bandwagon on him is... unnatural. Obviously Sasaki, GH, and ATPG all decided together to create a voting bloc on him. That only makes you three look particularly suspicious. Pick someone else. Give him the benefit of the doubt and turn the bloc on a more worthy target.

When we decided not to lynch TinCow, GH was next up in votes so he picked someone random to vote. I like GH so I voted with him. How is the three of us working together suspicious and you trying to save Winston not suspicious?

By bothering to defend myself, instead of just ignoring what was an extremely weak accusation. Of course, I had my reasons for doing so, but none of them had anything to do with my being guilty of the killings.

Is that why GH voted you?

Not quite. My comments about the people voting for me are intended for after I'm dead. The funny thing is that you lot who've voted for me are making out that I've been trying to protect myself from being lynched, despite much evidence to the contrary. If I was desperate to survive, I would've shut up ages ago (cue more faux-horrified cries of "he's WIFOMing, lynch him!)

No, this is false. I pointed out that your reasoning was bogus and you were using it to attack your accusers.

[Chaotix]

So you admit to forming a bloc, and you give a WIFOM defense. Excellent tactic.

What makes Winston so guilty, then?

During my conversation with him I put him in such a position that any mafia would choose the same answer. Unless he anticipated my move and tried to passive-aggressively manipulate me, then he is definitely a townie. And if it turns out I am wrong, then I will know it very shortly, provided he survives.

To go into any more detail would be suicide for me. Let him live, and pick a low-key bandwagoner instead, like Seon.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So you admit to forming a bloc, and you give a WIFOM defense. Excellent tactic.

What makes Winston so guilty, then?

When did we claim winston was guilty? What's wrong with voting blocs? What was wifom about our defense? Why do you say that it's an "excellent tactic"?

During my conversation with him I put him in such a position that any mafia would choose the same answer. Unless he anticipated my move and tried to passive-aggressively manipulate me, then he is definitely a townie. And if it turns out I am wrong, then I will know it very shortly, provided he survives.

I find this highly doubtful.

To go into any more detail would be suicide for me. Let him live, and pick a low-key bandwagoner instead, like Seon.

You aren't voting for Seon.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So you admit to forming a bloc, and you give a WIFOM defense. Excellent tactic.

It is an excellent tactic, because it is working perfectly. Nothing can stop us now! muhuhaahahaha

What makes Winston so guilty, then?

His role PM?

During my conversation with him I put him in such a position that any mafia would choose the same answer. Unless he anticipated my move and tried to passive-aggressively manipulate me, then he is definitely a townie. And if it turns out I am wrong, then I will know it very shortly, provided he survives.

To go into any more detail would be suicide for me. Let him live, and pick a low-key bandwagoner instead, like Seon.

Oh how you like to tempt me. I can smells it from here.

unvotes, votes for Seon,
Chaotix: A-ha! You just want to kill someone who votes for you! Scummy!
Massive ATPG bandwagon
Pizzaguy: *Bleck!!!*
Game over.

You're so crafty. But I'm craftier, with my obviously scummy bloc-forming.

[Chaotix]

When did we claim winston was guilty? What's wrong with voting blocs? What was wifom about our defense? Why do you say that it's an "excellent tactic"?



I find this highly doubtful.



You aren't voting for Seon.

There's nothing wrong with a voting bloc so long as you're not voting for a likely innocent. Further, the defense that "mafia don't form voting blocs" that ATPG gave is certainly WIFOM.

You may doubt what you will, but you do not know for sure.

Finally, I will vote for someone like Seon once I see that it will make a difference. I don't want either TinCow or GH to die, but neither to I want Winston to.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There's nothing wrong with a voting bloc so long as you're not voting for a likely innocent. Further, the defense that "mafia don't form voting blocs" that ATPG gave is certainly WIFOM.

If the defense is WIFOM, then so is the accusation. WIFOM is cross-transitive.

[Chaotix]

If the defense is WIFOM, then so is the accusation. WIFOM is cross-transitive.

True enough.

I see that you probably won't be convinced with this alone, and I won't be sticking my neck out further. Lynch away!