Netherworld II [Concluded]

[Beskar]

This worked wonders for me.

Yes, because the Mafia magically dropped when you were blocked.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yes, because the Mafia magically dropped when you were blocked.

The kills did not drop, even TinCow admitted that reasoning was nonsense.

Anyway, even with a kill drop, the correct strategy is to continue blocking said person. Either the mafia has to kill less in order to keep up the pretense, or they have to kill less because they are being blocked. Lynching said person either lynches a mafioso, or lynches a townie and allows the mafia to keep killing a frame someone anytime they choose by dropping the number of kills.

btw Beskar, I haven't seen you laughing:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=518

I'm sure the mafia who killed one less after seeing this post is laughing it up

[Beskar]

btw Beskar, I haven't seen you laughing:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=518

I'm sure the mafia who killed one less after seeing this post is laughing it up

I totally forgot about that post.

Because of that, I am unvoting you, it made my night.

Unvote: Sasaki Kojiro.

[TinCow]

The kills did not drop, even TinCow admitted that reasoning was nonsense.

Ahem, I did not. Night 2 was 3 mafia kills and 1 vig attempt. Night 3 was 2 mafia kills and 1 vig attempt, with 2 missing mafioso. Looks like a missing mafioso to me, oh great twister of words and distorter of arguments. Next time, don't asked to be blocked if you're not going to like the results, either way.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ahem, I did not. Night 2 was 3 mafia kills and 1 vig attempt. Night 3 was 2 mafia kills and 1 vig attempt, with 2 missing mafioso. Looks like a missing mafioso to me, oh great twister of words and distorter of arguments. Next time, don't asked to be blocked if you're not going to like the results, either way.

You said you agreed with my math and that the blocking part was minor, oh linker of posts linked to a few posts previously.

This is the first mention of a vigilante, your previous statements were based on the 3-3-4-3 set of kills it seemed, which made no sense.

If there are 4 mafiosi, and I had asked to be blocked, why would I not have one of my partners kill in my stead? If you wish to claim that one of those that have died is guilty, please be specific. If GH was guilty (as you have suggested) explain why he was lynched in a close vote with the mafia numbers being what they are, or say which 4 of the people voting for DiamondEye were guilty.

[Askthepizzaguy]

[Andres]

Vote: Sasaki

You're not a mafioso trying to lurk himself to victory, are you?

I'm not sure Andres. The post you highlighted of Beskar's is pretty neutral, etc. But, prior to that he hasn't acted that way. So perhaps something happened last night/last round to make him apprehensive?

On Sasaki's case, well there could something to it I guess. But it's Sasaki, and I really don't know what to think. Gah!

Vote: Sasaki

For now, I'm gonna have to mull this over.

Nevermind Beskar, I think Diamondeye is a better lynch.

[TinCow]

You said you agreed with my math and that the blocking part was minor, oh linker of posts linked to a few posts previously.

Agreeing with your math meant 3 kills instead of 2. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but 3 is one less than 4.

This is the first mention of a vigilante, your previous statements were based on the 3-3-4-3 set of kills it seemed, which made no sense.

No, I mentioned the vigilante here. It looks to me like the vigilante was after me on the last two nights. The first time he was thwarted by the hallucination guy, and the second time blocked by the doctor. The point is that that results in mafia kills of 3 3 3 2, which I will again emphasize is a drop of 1.

If there are 4 mafiosi, and I had asked to be blocked, why would I not have one of my partners kill in my stead? If you wish to claim that one of those that have died is guilty, please be specific. If GH was guilty (as you have suggested) explain why he was lynched in a close vote with the mafia numbers being what they are, or say which 4 of the people voting for DiamondEye were guilty.

My point was that, even if you are townie, you knew very well that the mafia could easily drop a kill to frame anyone who was roleblocked, yet you asked to be roleblocked anyway. It looked to me like sheer bravado, so I decided to call you on it by actually doing it. You're the reason you got roleblocked.

Is it plausible that you're a townie and the mafia framed you by intentionally or negligently dropping a kill? Yes. Is it plausible you're a mafioso who got roleblocked? Yes. When it comes to you, better safe than sorry IMHO. As for your Bengals excuse, you get no credit from me. I'm a Browns fan. I've endured more misery than you'll ever comprehend. Bernie-freaking-Kosar is the HIGH POINT of my life as a football fan.

[naut]

On a different note this cave dwelling guy who seems to trick people and meditate on a glacier. I'm fairly sure it's from Incan or Mayan mythology. Possibly something like Supay, the god of death. Or a Wayob or Huay Chivo demon who is a trickster and sorcerer. Not that that really helps. But it's bugging me, and is irritatingly obscure.

[Diamondeye]

You're not a mafioso trying to lurk himself to victory, are you?

Nevermind Beskar, I think Diamondeye is a better lynch.

I might be slightly biased but I'd disagree on this. Also, no, pevergreen, I wouldn't know the reason. Are you kinder when asked to explain than the person I asked earlier? Is it because I switched my vote off Chaotix?

[seireikhaan]

Round will end in four hours, at 2:00 PM/14:00 CST.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Agreeing with your math meant 3 kills instead of 2. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but 3 is one less than 4.



No, I mentioned the vigilante here. It looks to me like the vigilante was after me on the last two nights. The first time he was thwarted by the hallucination guy, and the second time blocked by the doctor. The point is that that results in mafia kills of 3 3 3 2, which I will again emphasize is a drop of 1.



My point was that, even if you are townie, you knew very well that the mafia could easily drop a kill to frame anyone who was roleblocked, yet you asked to be roleblocked anyway. It looked to me like sheer bravado, so I decided to call you on it by actually doing it. You're the reason you got roleblocked.

You certainly skated around this part of the accusation. How did it go from major to minor to major? That's a dropoff too :p

It's not bravado if I'm a townie.

Is it plausible that you're a townie and the mafia framed you by intentionally or negligently dropping a kill? Yes. Is it plausible you're a mafioso who got roleblocked? Yes. When it comes to you, better safe than sorry IMHO. As for your Bengals excuse, you get no credit from me. I'm a Browns fan. I've endured more misery than you'll ever comprehend. Bernie-freaking-Kosar is the HIGH POINT of my life as a football fan.

Complete sidestep. No discussion of the strategy, just "better safe than sorry" which I already dismissed. No comment on how the the main part of your accusation yesterday was my "angry tone" post playoff loss, you simply say that you don't give me any credit? Nonsensical.

[TinCow]

You certainly skated around this part of the accusation. How did it go from major to minor to major? That's a dropoff too :p

My previous post didn't say it was major. I was simply refuting your statement which implied that I had completely abandoned that argument as "nonsense." You behavior is, and has always been, the major reason for my vote. The block is, and has always been, the minor reason for my vote. Try as you might to twist my words, my opinion is the same now as it was when I made my vote.

Complete sidestep. No discussion of the strategy, just "better safe than sorry" which I already dismissed. No comment on how the the main part of your accusation yesterday was my "angry tone" post playoff loss, you simply say that you don't give me any credit? Nonsensical.

Heh, you need to play against yourself more then. As far as I'm concerned, "better safe than sorry" IS strategy when it comes to Sasaki Kojiro.

As for the loss to the Jets being your excuse, that happened on Saturday. Both Andres and I commented that you were acting funny 2 days before the Bengals game.

[atheotes]

I totally forgot about that post.

Because of that, I am unvoting you, it made my night.

Unvote: Sasaki Kojiro.

this is unusual for you
Vote:Beskar

[Thermal]

unvote
vote: psychonaut

Just a vibe I'm getting, fairly lurkish but popping his head in to not help very much. Which is something I usually do.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

My previous post didn't say it was major. I was simply refuting your statement which implied that I had completely abandoned that argument as "nonsense." You behavior is, and has always been, the major reason for my vote. The block is, and has always been, the minor reason for my vote. Try as you might to twist my words, my opinion is the same now as it was when I made my vote.

I'm not twisting your words, I'm pointing out that your misrepresented a gut vote as a "pro town role finds mafia" vote. This leads to large, unproductive bandwagons.

Heh, you need to play against yourself more then. As far as I'm concerned, "better safe than sorry" IS strategy when it comes to Sasaki Kojiro.

As for the loss to the Jets being your excuse, that happened on Saturday. Both Andres and I commented that you were acting funny 2 days before the Bengals game.

Yes, but in a completely different way than your later accusation. The second time you said I was mafia because I was upset (this was the bit you were sidestepping in your last post). In the first you said I would come out pretending to not be paying attention in order to avoid a first round investigation. But I often come out the first round with some kind of pretense, like claiming that GH has revealed the mafia in a clue and then editing it out.

[TinCow]

I'm not twisting your words, I'm pointing out that your misrepresented a gut vote as a "pro town role finds mafia" vote. This leads to large, unproductive bandwagons.

Meh, not my fault if people give more weight to a roleblock than it deserves. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that a roleblocker is not a detective. Your point is noted though, and I'll consider withholding roleblock info in the future if it is likely to hinder otherwise worthwhile discussion.

Yes, but in a completely different way than your later accusation. The second time you said I was mafia because I was upset (this was the bit you were sidestepping in your last post). In the first you said I would come out pretending to not be paying attention in order to avoid a first round investigation. But I often come out the first round with some kind of pretense, like claiming that GH has revealed the mafia in a clue and then editing it out.

The first post you're referring to was not my explanation for why I thought you were acting funny, it was theorizing on whether your W_E vote was international or not. I did not express what it was about you that I thought was off in that post. My 'gut' feelings about you were only mentioned in this post where I said that you were "making my hair stand on end" and by repeating that it was a "gut" feeling in the first post.

What exactly are you trying to prove here anyway, that I don't feel the way I feel?

[Beskar]

Haven't a clue what the tally is, but since Sasaki made me laugh, I will go for the other suspect.

Vote: DiamondEyes

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What exactly are you trying to prove here anyway, that I don't feel the way I feel?

Simply this, since there is no evidence, to lynch me is to let the mafia win. They laugh mockingly at us as we lynch the one they framed. After our defeat at their hands, we will read there quicktopic and see their jubilant posts about the foolish town falling into their trap. You especially will feel their sneers, and be haunted by them.

If I am not lynched, we can turn the tables on them. You keep blocking me, and now the mafia is confused. They will frantically discuss what plan of action to take on their quicktopic. We can gloat about how we didn't fall for their trap. Will they forgo a kill indefinitely in order to continue framing me? Or will they prove me innocent by killing again? It is a hard choice for the mafia, and one they will not relish making.

[ULC]

/poetic rhetoric and "We can rule the world together" speech of a supervillian.

Oh, your a funny one

[TinCow]

Yeesh, that sounds like a lot of work. I'll take the embarassment; I'm used to it by now.

[seireikhaan]

Monday's are flat out unhelpful for me. I'll be getting the tally in a bit...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yeesh, that sounds like a lot of work. I'll take the embarassment; I'm used to it by now.

But what will be the long term effect on your psyche, on the town's psyche? Once you plant the seed of insecurity it can not help but to grow. Just as a small child internalizes his bullies message with thoughts of his own shortcomings; so shall the town come to believe the arrogant words of the mafia. "We can't win", "They outsmart us at every turn", "It's all just WIFOM", "When are day one lynches ever successful", these are the thoughts of the town now, how much more despondent will they become if we allow your seed to grow into a tree? Soon half the town will defect to the mafia on the first turn, slavishly seeking to please their masters in exchange for their own life.

Consider the outcome of your actions TinCow.

[seireikhaan]

Sasaki Kojiro has been lynched. Writeup later tonight. PEOPLE WITH NIGHT ORDERS have 24 HOURS.

Tally:


Sasaki 12 (Acin, Psychonaut, Diamondeye, Thermal Mercury, TinCow, CDF, Double A, Johnhughthom, CCRunner, Scienter, A1_Unit, Joooray
Diamondeye 4 (Beskar, pevergreen, Andres, Chaotix)
Johnhughthom 1 (Winston Hughes)
Chaotix 1 (Sprig)
Beskar 1 (Atheotes)
Psychonaut 1 (Thermal Mercury)
Atheotes 1 (YLC)
Shayne Graham 1 (Sasaki)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki 12 (Acin, Psychonaut, Diamondeye, Thermal Mercury, TinCow, CDF, Double A, Johnhughthom, CCRunner, Scienter, A1_Unit, Joooray)
Sasaki 12 (Acin, Psychonaut, Diamondeye, Thermal Mercury, TinCow, CDF, Double A, Johnhughthom, CCRunner, Scienter, A1_Unit, Joooray)
Sasaki 12 (Acin, Psychonaut, Diamondeye, Thermal Mercury, TinCow, CDF, Double A, Johnhughthom, CCRunner, Scienter, A1_Unit, Joooray)
Sasaki 12 (Acin, Psychonaut, Diamondeye, Thermal Mercury, TinCow, CDF, Double A, Johnhughthom, CCRunner, Scienter, A1_Unit, Joooray)
Sasaki 12 (Acin, Psychonaut, Diamondeye, Thermal Mercury, TinCow, CDF, Double A, Johnhughthom, CCRunner, Scienter, A1_Unit, Joooray)

Just for posterity's sake.

[TinCow]

But what will be the long term effect on your psyche, on the town's psyche? Once you plant the seed of insecurity it can not help but to grow. Just as a small child internalizes his bullies message with thoughts of his own shortcomings; so shall the town come to believe the arrogant words of the mafia. "We can't win", "They outsmart us at every turn", "It's all just WIFOM", "When are day one lynches ever successful", these are the thoughts of the town now, how much more despondent will they become if we allow your seed to grow into a tree? Soon half the town will defect to the mafia on the first turn, slavishly seeking to please their masters in exchange for their own life.

Consider the outcome of your actions TinCow.

The horror... the horror...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sasaki makes the game truly entertaining.

Makes me sad whenever I have to accuse him of stuff.

[naut]

Sasaki is really in the zone, I feel bad we lynched him. Do stick around to help if you are a townie. Please.

[seireikhaan]

Governor-General Yasei was feeling hopeful upon hearing of the recent events- two thwarted attempts on the being of one of the encampment members surely boded well. The parties at hand seemed confident as well. Immediately, Sasaki Kojiro was put forth with the closest to a unanimous vote thus far. The scribes were given little trouble with the ordeal, and by the end, an uncooperative Sasaki was bound and prostrated before Yasei. Yasei could see the burning frustration in the eyes of Sasaki. It was... a bit unsettling. To relieve himself of this, Yasei grabbed the hilt of his gleaming sword, and sliced a clean blow, rolling Sasaki's head from his neck.

As the guards shuffled the remains away from sight, Yasei addressed the crowd. "I know not whether we have continued our progress. I know not whether the one just executed was Netherworld dust. I do know this, however! If we keep our heads up, our spirits alert, we shall not falter! We shall not falter backwards! We shall be victorious!"

With an enthusiastic applause, Yasei stepped down from the dais, dismissing the rest to their posts.



Alive: 25

A1_Unit
A completely inoffensive name
Andres
Atheotes
Beskar
CCRunner
Centurion1
Chaotix
Cultured Drizzt fan
Diamondeye
Double A
johnhugthom
Jooray
Kralizec
pevergreen
Psychonaut
scottishranger
Scienter
Sigurd
Sprig
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
Winston Hughes
woad&fangs
YLC


Slain: 11

A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)


Lynched: 4

Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)

[Sprig]