There is something rotten in Australia

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Multiculturalism as an idea works perfectly well, when it's implemented well. It's just on the Continent, you've all made a pig's ear out of it (Though we're hardly free from blame)

I'd like to see some evidence that multi-culturalism actually works ever. I can't think of an example.

[Fragony]

In many ways, it has worked well. Only problems with it are: Racists and those failing to assilimate into society and strangely oppose it.

There is no, or hardly any, racism in the Netherlands. The multiculturalist dream tends to become positive discrimination when things go wrong, and people can see that, those that are supposed to run a country grasping at straws when they don't have an answer. It are so many small things that ultimately adds up to becoming something unbearable. The people lecturing you have no idea what they are talking about they live in an alternative reality where society is always to blame and it are just a few screws that need a few 360's. But it isn't, for some life is a living hell they have to deal with intimidation daily. You can't expect those people to trust the status quo, it's the status quo that lets them down.

[Furunculus]

In many ways, it has worked well. Only problems with it are: Racists and those failing to assilimate into society and strangely oppose it.

In a way, Multicultural Society in concept can be seen as the borg...


The differences is, they bring their cultural, ideas and technological with them, which can assist in adapting and improving the system, to become a more superior system.

your borg analogy sounds far more like america than europes multiculturalism.

[Beskar]

your borg analogy sounds far more like america than europes multiculturalism.

It is the American/Austrialian and Anglosphere opinion, which many British actually agree with. "If they come to our country, they must obey our rules, our laws, and become British. If they want to still be a racist-term, they can go back there."

It is a opinion some one could symphaise with quite easy.

[Fragony]

It is the American/Austrialian and Anglosphere opinion, which many British actually agree with. "If they come to our country, they must obey our rules, our laws, and become British. If they want to still be a racist-term, they can go back there."

It is a opinion some one could symphaise with quite easy.

Agree until 'become British', can't expect that from them as you aren't giving any clarity on which lines can't be crossed. On monday you are inviting it, on tuesday you are giving it, on wednesday you are wondering why, on thursday you want it back, and on friday you just take it, have a nice weekend it was a great week.

[Furunculus]

It is the American/Austrialian and Anglosphere opinion, which many British actually agree with. "If they come to our country, they must obey our rules, our laws, and become British. If they want to still be a racist-term, they can go back there."

i agree with it.

[Fragony]

i agree with it.

In what Britain would the have to be become british, you don't even know yourself.

[Furunculus]

In what Britain would the have to be become british, you don't even know yourself.

que?

[Fragony]

que?

Ok, how do you expect people to integrate in a climate of cultural relativism, you say behave! but we don't say how they should behave. Grab them lefties, they are to blame.

[Subotan]

Government policy. In the USA you are what you are, nobody expects anything more. But here someone has a dream.

Um, the American Dream?

I'd like to see some evidence that multi-culturalism actually works ever. I can't think of an example.

America is a great example, as is Brazil. To a lesser extent, immigrants have assimalated well in the Uk too.

[Fragony]

Um, the American Dream?

That would be great but I am afraid they are dreaming of something else.

[Furunculus]

Ok, how do you expect people to integrate in a climate of cultural relativism, you say behave! but we don't say how they should behave. Grab them lefties, they are to blame.

ah, i understand, and agree.

[Subotan]

That would be great but I am afraid they are dreaming of something else.

Which would be...?

And what's wrong with the idea of a "European Dream"?

Freude, schöner Götterfunken
Tochter aus Elysium...

*Wipes a patriotic tear away from his eye*

[Fragony]

Which would be...?

A lot. And none of it is very realistic.

[Beskar]

I like multiculturalism.

I got my South African plums, my Chicken Tikka sandwich, my Vientnam peanuts, with my Spanish orange drink.

aka - my lunch today.

[Fragony]

I like multiculturalism.

I got my South African plums, my Chicken Tikka sandwich, my Vientnam peanuts, with my Spanish orange drink.

aka - my lunch today.

Sure, and where I live there is no problem at all, it's really cozy. And I like to keep it like that, I do not agree with this euro-mediteranean agreement to say the least and give kqri a welcome warm back.

[Furunculus]

I like multiculturalism.

I got my South African plums, my Chicken Tikka sandwich, my Vientnam peanuts, with my Spanish orange drink.

aka - my lunch today.

you think multi-culturalism = free trade?

[Beskar]

you think multi-culturalism = free trade?

Because of other cultures influences, I am able to buy these things, as shops have them stocked.

[HoreTore]

you think multi-culturalism = free trade?

For me to enjoy my Kebab at 04:00 on a saturday night I need the Turk who's making it here in my town, not stuck in Turkey.

[Furunculus]

Because of other cultures influences, I am able to buy these things, as shops have them stocked.

no, that's called free trade, i think you'll find we were importing tea* and bananas quite some time before multiculturalism** outed itself as stupid idea of the day.

* Although the custom of drinking tea dates back to the third millennium BC in China, it was not until the mid 17th century that the beverage first appeared in England.

** Multiculturalism was adopted as official policy, in several Western nations from the 1970s onward, for reasons that varied from country to country. Multiculturalism is the acceptance or promotion of multiple ethnic cultures, for practical reasons and/or for the sake of diversity and applied to the demographic make-up of a specific place, usually at the organizational level, e.g. schools, businesses, neighborhoods, cities or nations.

[Beskar]

** Multiculturalism was adopted as official policy, in several Western nations from the 1970s onward, for reasons that varied from country to country. Multiculturalism is the acceptance or promotion of multiple ethnic cultures, for practical reasons and/or for the sake of diversity and applied to the demographic make-up of a specific place, usually at the organizational level, e.g. schools, businesses, neighborhoods, cities or nations.

aka, allowing black and white kids go to the same school, instead of different schools based on their skin colour.

[Fragony]

aka, allowing black and white kids go to the same school, instead of different schools based on their skin colour.

That is peanuts, in Amsterdam the only condition for getting a high function at the city council is not being white, actual job describtion. Then you are excluded, can't join, aren't welcome, unable to participate.

lefties.

[Furunculus]

aka, allowing black and white kids go to the same school, instead of different schools based on their skin colour.

that is not what it is, as it is practised in britain, and you know it.

[Beskar]

That is peanuts, in Amsterdam the only condition for getting a high function at the city council is not being white, actual job describtion. Then you are excluded, can't join, aren't welcome, unable to participate.

lefties.

I was talking about the 1970's, in particular, the end of Racial segregation in the United States in schools. (Yes, it was that recent.)


nutjobs.

[Fragony]

I was talking about the 1970's, in particular, the end of Racial segregation in the United States in schools. (Yes, it was that recent.)


nutjobs.

Yeah?

But if you are a native white you still can't get a job at city council. You wouldn't be a reflexion of society. Now Amsterdam is Amsterdam but this sort of lunacy is everywhere lefties get to chew cables.

[Ser Clegane]

That is peanuts, in Amsterdam the only condition for getting a high function at the city council is not being white, actual job describtion. Then you are excluded, can't join, aren't welcome, unable to participate.

Source?

This sounds a bit like hyperbole.

[HoreTore]

That is peanuts, in Amsterdam the only condition for getting a high function at the city council is not being white, actual job describtion. Then you are excluded, can't join, aren't welcome, unable to participate.

lefties.

As opposed to the private sector, where the job description is "being white"...?

Let's face it Frags; we as heterosexual, white males do have an advantage over those who are not. When job applications are flicked through, we will be chosen by default if our qualifications are about equal.

That is the reason why other groups are "positively discriminated".

[Ser Clegane]

When job applications are flicked through, we will be chosen by default if our qualifications are about equal.

And here goes another generalisation.

This might be true in some sectors but as a general statement it is certainly wrong.

[Beskar]

And here goes another generalisation.

This might be true in some sectors but as a general statement it is certainly wrong.

Not entirely, then they brought in quotas, so businesses sometimes even go for lower qualified, just to create the numbers. That is the effects of positive discrimination. Which is ultimately a bad idea as well.

Then there are others who just throw job applications in the bin without even reading them, because they had an arabian sounding name. This is what forces government to do things like positive discrimination to attempt to prevent this from happening.

[HoreTore]

And here goes another generalisation.

This might be true in some sectors but as a general statement it is certainly wrong.

You do not believe that John Smith will have a higher chance of getting employed than Ahmed Talibani...?