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[Furunculus]

IIRC support of the death penalty is almost always high when it is abolished, and then gradually declines over time. I don't know about the others, to be fair.

Funnily enough, people always get a shock when I tell them I'm pro-EU. The very idea is alien to many of them, since they have been force-fed for years this concept of all-incompetent, all-useless Union.

Well, that's the great paradox of liberalism, isn't it? Is it illiberal to force other people to be liberal?

England Prevails!

i agree entirely that the death penalty is the exception here, only difference is that i have nothing against the death penalty if that's what the people want. i am equally happy to be without the death penalty if that is what the people wish. what is unhealthy is laws that do not have the agreement or respect of civil society.

as opposed to years of being fed pro-EU propaganda, that is different somehow?

it might be a paradox for modern liberalism, but that ain't my problem as i'm all about classical liberalism.

we usually do, you never know we might do this time too.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

as opposed to years of being fed pro-EU propaganda, that is different somehow?

Indeed. Here, claiming one is anti-EU in any company but that of your closest friends or family automatically seems to make others wonder if you are a far-right extremist. An irrational viewpoint, to be sure, but I cannot deny that the pro-European propaganda has been phenomenally good.

[Subotan]

i agree entirely that the death penalty is the exception here, only difference is that i have nothing against the death penalty if that's what the people want. i am equally happy to be without the death penalty if that is what the people wish. what is unhealthy is laws that do not have the agreement or respect of civil society.

So would you have supported the abolishment of the death penalty if 75% of Brits had agreed with it? (IIRC, that was the statistic of people who agreed with it in Germany when it was abolished)

as opposed to years of being fed pro-EU propaganda, that is different somehow?

I was exposed to that propaganda for just under two months, as I was born in July 92

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

So would you have supported the abolishment of the death penalty if 75% of Brits had agreed with it? (IIRC, that was the statistic of people who agreed with it in Germany when it was abolished)

I personally would not support the idea - presuming "death penalty" is generic for whichever policy I support - of abolishing it, but if that was the will of the people, I would not be as upset.

[Furunculus]

So would you have supported the abolisment of the death penalty if 75% of Brits had agreed with it? (IIRC, that was the statistic of people who agreed with it in Germany when it was abolished)

I was exposed to that propaganda for just under two months, as I was born in July 92

yes.

no you weren't, you just get your pro-EU propaganda mixed in with some blame-the-eu tub-thumping from some opportunist british politicians.