Netherworld II [Concluded]

[ULC]

What Sasaki is trying to get YLC to say is that YLC is in fact the guy who plays with illusions and make people kill each other. Am I correct, Sasaki Kojiro?

Or: Am I correct, YLC?

Too bad I can't vote since I am dead.

I don;t play with illusions anymore then you play with your heart, not that you do much anymore

I've never made anyone else in this entire game do something they did not want already to happen. If someone dies, it is not because of me but because of them.

[seireikhaan]

When the encampment was called, the feeling was less satisfactory than previously. Three slayings the night before had dampened the mood considerably. The group immediately jumped on one named Chaotix, as a likely perpetrator. Several claimed he they knew he was a powerful, evil force. Chaotix was quickly subjugated and presented before governor-general Yasei.

Chaotix glared at him from a kneeling position. "So, this is how you treat me?" he asked.

"It is not I, but them," Yasei responded.

"You son of a-" Chaotix' last, frustrated statement was cut off by the shimmering sword of the governor-general. Yasei figured he needn't bother to remind the camp this time to keep their wits about, instead waving a hand to dismiss the lot and letting the guards carry Chaotix out of the hall.



Chaotix 12 (johnhughthom, CCRunner, atheotes, Psychonaut, Joooray, YLC, Beskar, Scienter, Woad&fangs, Andres, TinCow, Thermal Mercury)
Atheotes 3 (YLC, Chaotix, Double A)
pevergreen 1 (Winston Hughes)
Winston Hughes 1 (pevergreen)
YLC 1 (Kralizec)
A1_Unit 1 (A1_Unit)



Alive: 21

A1_Unit
A completely inoffensive name
Andres
Atheotes
Beskar
CCRunner
Centurion1
Double A
johnhugthom
Jooray
Kralizec
pevergreen
Psychonaut
scottishranger
Scienter
Sigurd
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
Winston Hughes
woad&fangs
YLC


Slain: 14

A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)
Diamondeye (N5)
Cultured Drizzt fan (N5)
Sprig (N5)


Lynched: 5

Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)
Chaotix (D5)




DUE TO SCHEDULING ISUES TOMORROW, THIS ROUND WILL TAKE 48 HOURS. PLEASE SEND IN ORDERS.

[Beskar]

I don;t play with illusions anymore then you play with your heart, not that you do much anymore

I've never made anyone else in this entire game do something they did not want already to happen. If someone dies, it is not because of me but because of them.

Though it could be argued that you would die instead of them, it is your power that is killing off random people.

You know, devil advocate and all.

[Diamondeye]

I don;t play with illusions anymore then you play with your heart, not that you do much anymore

I've never made anyone else in this entire game do something they did not want already to happen. If someone dies, it is not because of me but because of them.

I'm just saying your role seems scummy to me, although you could just be a completely innocent busdriver-god, that just doesn't really fit with the vibe I'm getting from your actions nor the writeups texting. Might just be me, really.

[Thermal]

Tonight will be fun.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

dreading how many people will read into this comment wrongly...

[Askthepizzaguy]

He's a witch! BURN HIM!!!

[Chaotix]

Well, have fun, town.

I hope you make better decisions than that for the rest of the game, TinCow. I promise I'll laugh when you get killed.

[Thermal]

Well, have fun, town.

I hope you make better decisions than that for the rest of the game, TinCow. I promise I'll laugh when you get killed.

I love how bluntly you put this.

[Beskar]

Though TinCow will never die. He is getting protected by a doctor and no one will lynch him.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I suppose I could reveal the doctor, and give the mafia a shot at TinCow...

[Joooray]

He's a witch! BURN HIM!!!

Witch, WITCH!!

[Beskar]

but with YLC most likely using his ability on atheotes and TinCow roleblocking CCRunner, it is not like the Mafia can do anything.

[Chaotix]

but with YLC most likely using his ability on atheotes and TinCow roleblocking CCRunner, it is not like the Mafia can do anything.

Err... You're forgetting about Yama, because, believe or not, he was not me. And on top of that, we still don't know for a fact that either GH or Sasaki was mafia.

[TinCow]

but with YLC most likely using his ability on atheotes and TinCow roleblocking CCRunner, it is not like the Mafia can do anything.

Lamia remains unaccounted for. We will not be able to stop all attacks tonight; there's still a decent amount of work to do in this game.

[Double A]

Maybe Lama's inactive or just trying to lie low?

[Beskar]

Who is Lamia? (or which one)

[naut]

Who is Lamia? (or which one)

Lamia

Perhaps TinCow could point out which write-up Lamia is in, I'm unsure which he is mentioning.

At the base of the mountain, a young woman sat cross-legged in a meditative pose. Her eyes were closed, and she gently hummed a tune to herself. This realm was quiet, peaceful. Well, it was peaceful, anyways, but certainly there was no hustle and bustle of the other realms.

This woman or another?

[TinCow]

Others started referring to the role we were calling the Naga as Lamia a while ago. Search the thread, you'll find other mentions of her. That role seems to fit the descriptions a bit better than the Naga.

[Thermal]

Witch, WITCH!!

And you wonder why I give you bad cards in blackjack

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Joooray]

And you wonder why I give you bad cards in blackjack

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Ey, don't you say anything bad about Get well soon, that guy is a genius.

[seireikhaan]

Ok, orders are in. Writeups in... maybe half hour if I can get rolling. More likely an hour.

[seireikhaan]

It would work.... it would work..... it would work.... Thus were the seething thoughts of the beast-headed humanoid as it found, once more, the cave near the swamp and mountain's border. The cave was stereotypically dank and dark. Once again, it trekked the narrow path, with single minded determination. This would not fail. Not this time. The weasel wouldn't get away.


“Did you say something about me?”

It looked around. Something had said that.... somewhere...


“Down here, good sir,” the voice prodded. It looked down, and lo and behold, a weasel was sitting upright on its rear legs in front of him. “Did you call for me?” It asked once more.


In that one moment of irony, all the frustration and anger towards this cave and its inhabitant poured out. Without warning, it delivered a swift kick to the weasel, booting it across the cave. It charged the little rodent, which lay stunned against the wall, and brought his knife into it's tiny body with force. Once, twice, three times.... the count grew into the dozens quickly, and before long, there was nothing left of the little rodent.


Pop


The humanoid let a roar out. Had again! The cave vanished, replaced by the fence of the encampment, the weasel having been replaced by the torso of Scienter, who had been nearly carved in half during the attack.




“Did you do it?” The humanoid turned around, to find a man wielding sword and shield behind him. “Well?!” the man demanded. “Where is he?!”


The humanoid grinned. Another target to vent on. Without an answer, it rushed the man, swinging the knife in a left-sweeping arc. The man raised his shield, and the blow glanced off. Taking the initiative, he swung his blade in response. Ready, the humanoid rolled to its left, finishing the move braced on a knee, taking a swing for one of the man's knees. The man swung his shield, causing the knife to once again glance off, before delivering a kick square to the jaw of the humanoid. It was knocked to its back, giving the man the advantage needed. He leaped onto the chest of the humanoid, and pinned its right arm with his shield. For a moment, the two glared at each other, eye to eye, hatred emanating from each. The man raised his sword arm back, ready to plunge it in for the final blow.


“Noooooooo!” A cry came from behind him, and a hand grabbed at his. Struggling for a moment, he wrenched it free, and the blade rammed up through the jaw and into the head of the atheotes. Just as the blow was struck, a pair of arms wrapped completely around his waist, and sharp teeth embedded into his left shoulder. He was pulled from the body, and tossed. He had lost his grip on his sword, which remained in the atheotes' skull. He scrambled to his feet, to meet his new attacker. A twisted woman was already rushing him again. She slid along on a limbless lower body, but moved still with incredible speed. He attempted to raise his shield, but left arm went numb. She stretched out her arms, and tackled him to the ground. “HOW DARE YOU!” She screamed. “You will suffer for this!” He tried to squirm, but his body was not cooperating. His lower body had decided to copy his arm, and was feebly kicking against the mass pinned against him. She pulled a clawed hand back, and thrust it into his chest. Each finger gouged in between individual ribs. She did likewise with her other hand, thrusting it to the other side of the rib cage. The agony.... he wished whatever had numbed his lower body and arm would make its way to his torso... or if it had, that it was stronger. She lifted him up by his ribcage, and slowly wrapped her lower body around his, constricting him. She could see he was close to blacking out. She curled her fingers, ensnaring the ribs completely. Then, with a violent twist, she ripped CCRunner's ribcage straight out of his body. Any light within his eyes immediately vanished, and bloodied remains were tossed, a sight for all passerby.








I'm going to give this phase 36 hours. I likely won't be awake when it ends, but same procedure as always.




Alive: 18

A1_Unit
A completely inoffensive name
Andres
Beskar
Centurion1
Double A
johnhugthom
Jooray
Kralizec
pevergreen
Psychonaut
scottishranger
Sigurd
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
Winston Hughes
woad&fangs
YLC


Slain: 17

A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)
Diamondeye (N5)
Cultured Drizzt fan (N5)
Sprig (N5)
Scienter (N6)
CCRunner (N6)
atheotes (N6)



Lynched: 5

Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)
Chaotix (D5)

[ULC]

Well, that worked out quite well, poor, poor Anubis... - were down to one TC, lets do this

[TinCow]

Note: Most of the below was written prior to the write-up, so be aware that when reading the bits about YLC, his survival proves that my below concerns are unwarranted. He's fine.

Please allow me to explain what happened last night, as I am responsible for most of it.

First, let me make it clear that I have never trusted YLC. He has been lying about his role from the very beginning, and has never come clean about it. Our initial conversations:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

If you are town, as you profess, and such a lowly roleblocker, then you will do as I say. We both have a bit to lose, or to gain from this, and I'm not going to get anywhere if I'm stuck on you.

Target ATPG again tonight, because I know for a fact your ability last night was not used on ATPG. I need to trust ATPG, because I have been feeding him information. I need to actually know if I can trust him as a proxy.

And, no, I am not forming a network, I am just setting up proxies.

because I know for a fact your ability last night was not used on ATPG.

Explain

I can't explain in full detail, except I'm fairly sure your not one of the 3 killers - you might be if there is five, but that is doubtful, as the synchronization would be rather hard to pull off.

All I know is that your not hurting the town, so I willing to be more open. But I'm iffy about putting all my cards on the table yet - how do I know your not capable of turning your back on the town?

Whichever - when to trust, when not to?

I am a nexus, I can choose one person, and for that night, any ability they might use, is used on me instead.

Now, play your cards.

I have no additional information to give you; I posted all I know in the thread. Regardless of whatever powers you may have, I am a roleblocker and I submitted orders to block ATPG last night. I will not claim otherwise, because that is the truth.

It is interesting that your opinion of me has made a pretty remarkable U-turn from this to your current attitude. You expect me to believe that an easily faked role reveal has convinced you?

No, but from what I've gathered, your not a killer, and kill numbers haven't gone down. If you had the capability to kill, I'd know about it.

And just par for the course - you actually believe everything I have told you? If your a good player, no, you haven't, and no, neither do I fully trust you. I'm simply watching you TC, as you are now watching me. If you think for a second I do not consider you a threat to me, or that of the town, your a bit sadly mistaken.

However, you have a couple of options - either continue your charade if mafia, and eventually die because ATPG and I will be unrelenting, or as town simply work with me so that we simply don't neutralize each other every night until the heavens rain down upon us.

Or simply reveal me, get me killed and eventually yourself as well as a dandy third option, whichever floats your boat. Either way, unless the town takes a step forward, they are just going to sit on their arse and be picked off, and where is the fun in that?

I gather from your statements that you're claiming you used your ability on me instead, so that I blocked you instead of ATPG last night?

Yes, and as to your previous PM, no, your the only one who is aware, considering I didn't trust ATPG fully and simply told him I was a stump. I'm not that much of an idiot

What is the actual name of your role?

I have no name, no specific name anyway.

'khaan's standard role PM starts with:

You are X

What does it say for the X?

I am an/the Illusion Daemon.

Apparently, I am so ancient that know one knows my name

5 seconds of googling for Illusion Daemons gives this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_daemon

Which includes this blurb:

The evil daemon presents a complete illusion of an external world, including other people, to Descartes' senses, where in fact there is no such external world in existence. The evil genius also presents to Descartes' senses a complete illusion of his own body, including all bodily sensations, where in fact Descartes has no body. Most Cartesian scholars opine that the evil daemon is also omnipotent, and thus capable of altering mathematics and the fundamentals of logic.

That sounds a lot like the meditating man that was involved in Peasant Phill's death scene. Did you have something to do with that?

I'm going to have to go out on a limb here and say - no. I didn't touch Phil last night, I targeted CCRunner, which led to zero results on my end as well.

I may or may not be related to said above "evil daemon" - all I know is that I am an/the Illusion Daemon, and given no hint as to what my actual nature is beyond "you can make pretty lights and force people to use their abilities on you".

Which actually brings up an interesting point - I can find protown roles, specifically investigators, since once they forcibly investigate me, they will know of my alignment and contact me. I might be a good "investigator" checker.

I'm pleased you chose CCRunner. That was who I was blocking before I switched to Csargo.

Two things set me off here. First, YLC claims a generic name "Illusion Daemon", not a specific mythological character. That is not consistent with what I've seen in this game. So far, every single role I've encountered has had a specific name. Second, YLC is straight up lying about his power. He says repeatedly that he redirects actions onto himself. That worked fine early on when he was targeting non-killers, because there was no way to prove otherwise. However, YLC has targeted killers several times now. On ALL of those nights, the result was not that the kill was redirected onto himself, it was instead directed onto a third party. That is very different from the 'nexus' ability YLC claims, which made it clear to me that YLC was lying about his ability.

Later on, I probed more:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

So, are you still going to stick with your story that you have nothing to do with the illusions that show up every night?

Oh, thank you, I was looking for whom I targeted on Night 3 - it will help me put my case together.

If your wondering about my involvement with any deaths, the answer is no - I haven't and am incapable of killing anyone. Beyond that it's none of your concern - kill me if you want, try your hardest, but CCRunner and Atheotes are both capable of killing and they need to be gotten rid of.

If I die in the process, so be it - it'll be because of your own selfish paranoia, I'm only here to help.

Pardon, but you're the paranoid one. If you are the illusion guy, you clearly know the identity of several killers and you are not one yourself. I'm just trying to help someone that I think might have useful info.

If you're the illusion guy, just own up to it. Deflecting kills onto another target doesn't make you a killer, that much is obvious.

The issue was that according to my PM, I DON'T reflect kills off on to another - so either someone has been screwing with me (You), or my role will end up killing others without a way to deny it that sounds plausible, hence my early lynching if I owned up to it.

I am, we are, have always been, never were, can't quite, always can, never wont to do, but always willing to say we maybe, almost certainly am, never could be, the person your talking about, no that other guy.

Well, all I can say is that I haven't targeted you once during the entire game. I also disagree that even if you are deflecting kills onto other people, that means you are a killer yourself. The mafia are the ones who are still causing the death, you're just screwing up their targeting attempts.

Can you at least give me a list of who you've targeted each night? Since the illusion guy has deflected many mafia kills, if you're him your night action list is very useful to us.

I deleted all of my night orders to make room in my tiny inbox for my game.

Night 1 was Seon
Night 2 was you (LOL, why do you think I went ahead and contacted you?)
Night 3 was CCRunner
Night 4 was Atheotes
Night 5 was Atheotos (to confirm both him, my reflection ability, and CCRunner's guilt)

Hmmm...

N1 - No illusion guy
N2 - No illusion guy
N3 - Deflects a kill by the Perseus killer (who I no longer believe is vigilante, btw)
N4 - Deflects a kill by the wolf-guy
N5 - Deflects kills by the wolf-guy AND by the naga

This pattern would fit with atheotes being the wolf-guy. The extra appearance of the naga could be explained if you are unkillable at night. Perhaps any kill attempt on you results in someone else random getting killed. Worth noting that in both N3 and N5, the killers entered a cave. Do you have any indication that you live in a cave? If so, that might be proof that they were trying to kill you. That would also mean that the N3 illusion was the result of an attempted kill on you, not your night action target.

Have you tried to clarify your role with khaan? Mine was pretty vague in Netherworld I, and he gave me a bit more info when I asked.

I have inquired more into my role, awaiting a response.

He never gave any further explanation from 'khaan after that. In the above, he claims to have no idea why the kills were being deflected instead of directed at himself. I also find that worthy of a raised eyebrow.

At some point prior to the above conversation, I was contacted by Beskar who told me that a third person had told him they were a detective and had gotten a guilty result on Chaotix. Since the guilty result was in-line with what I was already thinking about Chaotix, I was hopeful that this was true and that I'd finally located a detective. I pried a bit more, and Beskar told me the detective's identity was atheotes. However, atheotes had already been pretty convincingly IDed as the wolf-guy by YLC, which did NOT fit with a detective role. So, I confronted atheotes about his role:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

What is your exact role name? Are you the wolf-guy with the dagger?

No. You have put me in a difficult situation...given that you are considered to be a pro-town role. revealing to you could put me at risk. At the same time if i dont, you can get me lynched now. But the first option gives me a chance to get a minor victory. my name is Orcus. My goal is to find and kill Hades. I think i am the only one who can kill Hades at night because it is listed as an ability.

Please give me any information you have on Hades. I may know who he is, and I am probably the only person who can get YLC off your butt long enough so that you can act freely at night. However, I need evidence that Hades is bad for the town before I will agree to do something like that.

I am not a detective. I think you misunderstood the "Find" in "find and kill Hades".
I dont have any info on Hades. If i knew who he was i would have killed him already. My mission was from the Gods and they want Hades removed.
I thought Hades had a cover role and maybe even a godfather type role.
I can kill any night but when i kill Hades i will not be shown guilty if investigated. to be honest there are a lot of things i do not understand about the game or even my role.

1) If you're not a detective, why did you tell Beskar that you were and that you got a guilty result on Chaotix?
2) If you can't investigate, and you can kill any night, you're straight up lying about not being the killer I've described as the wolf-guy. Orcus is the origin of the modern version of the Orc,and the descriptions of those kills mesh well with an Orc-like appearance. Admit it and I will consider letting you kill Hades tonight. If you do not, I will roleblock you tonight and have you lynched tomorrow, game over.

crap... i misunderstood the wolf killer description you gave. N1 i targeted Khazaar. After that i had doubts about whether to kill or not. I thought i was more likely to take out townies...so i decided against it. I thought Chaotix was scummy...so the night before last i targeted Chaotix.Did not go through. i had no idea what happened. I did not understand who i was in the writeup and felt that the host had missed my orders. I thought if he did not get night killed then he cant be Hades. last night i targeted Scienter and the same thing happened. I do not know the lore/myth...so i was finding it difficult to identify my character. hence the confusion. I still dont know what happened in the writeup.

Beskar is usually behind me everygame. thats just the way it is. When he hounded me I told him there was an investigation result on Chaotix and he was guilty. I just wanted him to leave me alone. Since the host was not giving away the roles, i thought i can take my chances and keep him off me. And i could always kill him if it became necessary.

atheotes' large numbers of kills/kill attempts made me believe he was either mafia or independent scum. Either way, he had to be disposed of. However, the stuff he said about Hades made my hair stand on end. The intro post of this game makes it very clear that Hades is not on the same side as the town. Before atheotes' statement, I had never seen any indication that Hades himself was actually in the game as a role. If Hades is in this game, there is no way he is pro-town. Hades would be a major threat to the Gods (town) and would have to die.. In addition, atheotes' role ability very much sounded to me like he was the only person who could kill Hades at night. By the time I heard that, it was already obvious that YLC was immune to night attacks. I did not believe that was a coincidence, nor did I believe that a role that was immune to night attacks would be pro-town, because it would be too powerful. At the same time, I found it implausible that there were two night attack-immune role in this game. Combined with YLC's generic role name and lies about his role ability, this made me think that YLC was likely Hades.

So, I knew atheotes had to be disposed of, but I knew YLC was possibly a major threat. Since I already knew YLC was immune to night attacks, if he was NOT Hades, he would survive any attack by atheotes. Thus, if YLC was not Hades, no harm would be done to the town if he were attacked. Conversely, if atheotes DID kill YLC, it would mean YLC was Hades, and again the town would benefit. As far as I could tell, atheotes attacking YLC was a win-win situation for the town. So, I strong-armed atheotes into attacking YLC last night:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

now i see what happened... YLC did it. that is one powerful role.

Indeed it is. If you're telling the truth about Hades existing, YLC is almost certainly him.

he cant be it if he is immune to night kill....either that or he is lying. I doubt it though.

You tried to kill YLC? I thought he just blocked you...

I never tried to kill him. i meant that his claim about being immune to nightkill cannot be true if he is Hades.
he said he redirected my killing ability on himself and whatever he has said is consistent with the writeup. So i am inclined to believe he is not Hades.

My thoughts were that his role PM told him that he was night kill immune, without mentioning you. In Netherworld I, several roles had 'guaranteed kill' abilities against certain other roles even if they were protected, but their targets were not aware of that. Clearly YLC is immune from most night kills, as he's survived attacks by Lamia and Perseus.

However, YLC is obviously lying about directing abilities onto himself... he has targeted you twice and Perseus once, and all three times someone else ended up getting killed. If YLC was directing the abilities onto himself, no one else would have died. If he's lying about how his ability works at this stage in the game, he's also lying about a lot more than that. There's no reason to lie about just that part of his role. In addition, I very much doubt that 'khaan would have included TWO night-kill immune roles in this game, which is what the result would be if YLC is not Hades.

I will propose a deal to you: you attack YLC tonight and I will not block you or move for your lynch tomorrow. I will also make sure YLC is not targeting you tonight. I very strongly believe YLC is Hades. If I am right, he will die and both you and the town will benefit. If I am wrong, he is night-kill immune anyway, so no harm is done to the town.

I won't lie to you and say that I believe you'll make it to the end of the game, you're almost certainly doomed... however if you're telling the truth about being able to get a minor victory from killing Hades, this is your one and only chance. If you refuse or if you agree and attack anyone other than YLC tonight, I promise you will be lynched tomorrow and you will not even get your minor victory.

this is from the opening post:
"Following his coup, Hades' victorious mood turned sour quickly upon hearing that his old home had been annexed. Diplomacy, and the fragile state of his new rule, prevented him from outright demanding the removal of the encampment; it had, after all, been seized during the previous ruler's reign, and he was not entitled to the lost possessions of his predecessor. Despite continued “insistence” to the world of Gods that he be given the borderlands back, he never met success. For a time, this uneasy peace continued. But neither the Gods nor Hades would be fool enough to think it could last..."

my take on the game is that Hades is trying to get the borderlands back and the Gods want to take control of Netherworld. I thought all the mafia were working for Hades and have infiltrated the camp. Knowing Hades is here he is definitely under cover.
we have seen mafia, 2 vigilantes(?), and 3 other power roles - you, Garuda and YLC. I dont think YLC is Hades simply because when i targeted Chaotix, Beefy got killed. it aligns with what he says about being immune to night kill.
I understand that i may not have much time. I can be useful to the town. But i will always be the next best lynch target and it will not take much to get a bandwagon on me. My only concern about attacking YLC is - if it fails and he is who he claims to be, he is going to be pissed and is going to go after me. the town is going to be mad as someone else will die...Which leaves me facing lynch.

Beefy dying when you targeted Chaotix doesn't prove anything about YLC, because you didn't attack YLC directly. Like I said, if YLC is not Hades, no harm will be done to the town because he will not die.

I'm not going to waste any more time trying to convince you of this; this action is designed to test you just as much as him. If you do not agree to do this by tomorrow morning EST, I will roleblock you and ensure that you are lynched tomorrow. I will also ensure that you are lynched if you agree and then attack anyone other than YLC. This is not a negotiation. At this point, you are almost certain to get lynched tomorrow, even if I say nothing about it. Your only hope of survival is if I speak up in your favor.

thats precisely what i was asking for. Because YLC is sure to come after me if he survives.

Regardless of whether YLC dies or survives, I promise that I explain everything and state that I demanded that you do this. I have no problems accepting responsibility for this action.

At the same time as this was going on, I was contacted by a person who claimed the role of Bellerephon, the man riding Pegasus. He claimed he was a vigilante, with some extra stuff that complicated his role, which I am sure we will need to discuss soon, but I'll leave that for another time. However, I told this person that they needed to prove that they were pro-town, so I asked them to kill atheotes. 'khaan had already told me that actions occur simultaneously, so if all worked as planned, both the attack on YLC and the attack on atheotes would go through. 1 scum, atheotes, would be disposed of for sure, and YLC's true alignment would be tested.

At the same time, I told YLC that I would block atheotes, because he had no idea I suspected him of being Hades. Since he thought I was going to keep atheotes from killing, and atheotes would obviously be lynched the next day, it was easy to convince YLC to target someone I suspected of being Lamia instead, which made sure he wouldn't interfere in my scheme. I, of course, did not block atheotes, because I wanted him to be able to attack YLC. Please note that I did not lie to atheotes about what I would do for him. I told him I would not block him and that I would not try to get him lynched today. I didn't say anything about not getting him killed at night. So, that's what happened last night.

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The above was written prior to the night results. Having now read them, YLC's survival means he is not Hades. Apologies, my friend, I hope you can understand my concerns under the circumstances.

atheotes died as expected, and that is good. Unfortunately it appears that Lamia saw Bellerophon's identity quite easily with the information revealed by YLC. Bellerophon was CCRunner:

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I am the vigilante riding the white horse. I'm Bellerephron actually, not perseus but the idea is the same. I'm actually a vigilante with a twist however-- there are a limited number of nights which I can elect to not kill before going insane and murdering quite a few people along with myself. Plus each night I don't kill adds a 20% chance of me being a bomb if I'm lynched so yeah, that's why I'm active at night.

So yeah, basically here's my kill explanations:

First couple of nights I was skiing so no kills.
I targeted DE for being the second highest vote getter but it was somehow redirected.
I targeted you-- It was right after you revealed so I figured you'd be protected for the night thus eliminating the insane thing while still not killing anyone.
I obviously just killed DE-- He was the second place vote getter.

I think that's all of them? For the record, failed attempts don't count as me not killing so there is no danger of me going insane if that's the route you wish to take. I just have to send in a kill order. Not sure about roleblocking but I'd assume it works the same

Interesting. That's certainly a role that will raise some eyebrows as a good excuse for a mafioso, but the in-thread descriptions do fit very well with Bellerephon. I've combed through all kinds of mythology as well and it seems like people on white, flying horses are generally perceived as good. Your role is plausible enough that I will accept it for now. I am protected every night, so if we do not have a mafioso for you to kill, you can simply attack me, with my approval. atheotes is certainly mafia, so he may be a target tonight.

You're saying you didn't kill White_Eyes on N1 thought? That description shows a mighty warrior with shield, spear, and sword, which fits with your other attacks.

That is correct, I did not attack on Night one, nor was I in town to even send in an order.

One interesting bit to note from the above is that Bellerophon was not the sword/shield/spear killer on Night 1. That's a separate role, and it has never appeared again. If we're lucky, that was a mafioso who died early on.

So, as it stands now, we obviously still have Lamia left alive, with the possibility that Hades is also around causing trouble. I am curious whether anyone else has seen any indication that Hades is in the game... it could be just something atheotes made up, but for some reason I'm tending to believe he was telling the truth.

[ULC]

*has heart attack, dies, truth is revealed to everyone, everyone else dies or commits suicide*

Hades may fit - considering it seemed like the river Styx was reanimating corpses - Lord of the Dead anyone? I think Khaan stole that ability from me - I had a role that used everyone else as a vessel for night kills, effectively rendering them immune to investigation and making everyone they used appear guilty.

I wonder if that means we might have a post mortem detective - if we do, please contact TC soon.

As for me, no, the role Khaan bequeathed upon me stated that I redirected all abilities to me that a person used during the night when I targeted them - he did however say something about there was more to me, but has never clarified, even when I asked him twice.

[TinCow]

LOL, sorry. Like I noted, I wrote that all in advance because it took a long time to pull all the PMs out in a manner that made sense. Transparancy of information is good for the town in most cases, so I decided to post it anyway even though I was wrong about you.

[Diamondeye]

Wow, nice job, TC! That certainly pours some light on what has been going on. And another mafia has bitten the dust. If only the Lamia is left, we might only see one kill tonight, correct?

And CCR, why so keen to kill me? Revenge from another game?

[Beskar]

So who is the Corpse Killer? The one who uses corpses to kill?

[Scienter]

I guess there are worse things than being mistaken for a weasel.

[atheotes]